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fw
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 Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 6:10 pm Post subject: This is for writing with. |
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I understand #1 and #2, below, are good English. How about #3?
1. This is something to write with.
2. This is for writing.
3. This is for writing with.
I feel #3 is not correct, while a friend says #3 is correct. |
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tyreless
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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I understand #1 and #2, below, are good English. How about #3?
1. This is something to write with.
2. This is for writing.
3. This is for writing with.
I feel #3 is not correct, while a friend says #3 is correct. |
For 1. and 2. I would say they are just fine. Imagine a situation where someone is holding up a pen and saying "This is something to write with." Just as well he or she might say "This is for writing."3. seems incomplete to me. I could imagine a situation where someone is holding up a piece of chalk, pointing to a blackboard and says "This is for writing with on a blackboard." All the same, in such a case I would say "This is for writing on a blackboard."
hope it helps 
David
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fw
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject: Japanese gardens are for looking at |
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Thank you, tireless.
How about the following pair.
4. Japanese gardens are for viewing.
5. Japanese gardens are for looking at.
I think #4 makes sense and is good English. Is #5 good English? |
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tyreless
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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Hi fw
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How about the following pair.
4. Japanese gardens are for viewing.
5. Japanese gardens are for looking at. |
5. is just fine. The sentence would mean that Japanese gardens are for walking in looking at and to be enjoyed as aesthetic experience. Not for playing football or barbecueing in.
4. is a bit problematic because of the word 'view'.
This can be used as a noun as in the sentence 'A fantastic view.', here it can be substituted with 'vista'.
It can be mean 'opinion' as in 'People hold different views on this matter.'
'With a view to' means 'with the intention of' as in 'He is decorating the house with a view to selling it'.
'On view' means something is shown to the public as in 'The Crown Jewels are on view in the Tower of London'.
There is the verb 'to view' which can mean 'is regarded' as in 'Many people view the death penalty as babaric.'
The dictionary gives the sentence 'The film hasn't been viewed by the censor.' with 'view' meaning 'To look or watch (something) carefully.' and
'Open fo viewing between 10:00 and 12:00' for properties that are for sale and can be visited by potential buyers between 10:00 and 12:00.
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I would not use it. If you have some spare time on your hands look up 'view' in a diccionary. There's more to it than meets the eye.
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