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learner1



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 5:51 am    Post subject: usage of adverbs Reply with quote

Hello,
A:
Their car was bigger and thus more comfortable.

Their car was bigger and as a result more comfortable.

Their car was bigger and as a consequence more comfortable.

B:
I was tired and thus took a rest.'

I was tired and as a result took a rest.

I was tired and as a consequence took a rest.

Could you please check if I use 'thus', 'as a result' and 'as a consequence' correctly in the sentences above?

Thank you very much.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 1:17 pm    Post subject: Re: usage of adverbs Reply with quote

learner1 wrote:
A:
Their car was bigger and thus more comfortable.
Their car was bigger and as a result more comfortable.
Their car was bigger and as a consequence more comfortable.

B:
I was tired and thus took a rest.'
I was tired and as a result took a rest.
I was tired and as a consequence took a rest.

Could you please check if I use 'thus', 'as a result' and 'as a consequence' correctly in the sentences above?
Colloquially, they are fine. Though in more common usage, as a result and as a consequence are often used with the product of some action or implied action or set of conditions. For example:
I was tired after running at the track meet and thus took a rest. While resting on the field, I fell asleep and as a consequence got a terrible sunburn.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Bob S.

Thank you very much. However, I'm not very clear about their differences. Here is an example from the dictionary:

1.I was feeling hungry, so I made myself a sandwich.

Is it fine to use 'therefore' and 'thus' here instead of 'so'?

Strictly, can't I use 'consequently', 'as a result' or 'as a consequence' here?

2.While resting on the field, I fell asleep and as a consequence got a terrible sunburn.

In your example here, can I use therefore, thus or consequently instead? I mean 'therefore' or 'so', etc. can be used in the way like 'as a result' does?

Thank you very much.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

learner1 wrote:
1.I was feeling hungry, so I made myself a sandwich.

Is it fine to use 'therefore' and 'thus' here instead of 'so'?
You can, but you wouldn't want to for this situation. General guidelines are, short words for simple common situations, longer words (when available) for more formal or serious situations. Making a sandwich is a very common simple situation, so you would want to simply use "so".

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Strictly, can't I use 'consequently', 'as a result' or 'as a consequence' here?
It would sound odd.

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2.While resting on the field, I fell asleep and as a consequence got a terrible sunburn.

In your example here, can I use therefore, thus or consequently instead? I mean 'therefore' or 'so', etc. can be used in the way like 'as a result' does?
Yes, those can work fine here in variation:
I fell asleep and consequently got a terrible sunburn.
I fell asleep, so I got a terrible sunburn.
I fell asleep, therefore I got a terrible sunburn.
I fell asleep and thus got a terrible sunburn.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello, Bob S.

Many thanks for your reply.
1.Are 'consequently' often used with the product of some action or implied action or set of conditions like 'as a consequence'?

2.Could you please give me an example in which as a result/consequence don't work fine but therefore or thus does in formal situations?

Here are some examples from the dictionary. Are 'as a result', 'as a concequence' or 'consequently also work fine here?

1.The region has suffered severe flooding and tourists are therefore advised not to travel there.

2.The item you requested is no longer available, and therefore we are returning your cheque.

3.He�s only 17 and therefore not eligible to vote.

Thank you very much.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello,

I really need your help with my questions. I would be grateful for your kind reply.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

learner1 wrote:
1.Are 'consequently' often used with the product of some action or implied action or set of conditions like 'as a consequence'?
Generally, yes. The root word for consequence is sequence which means things that follow in order. So when you see consequence, think of an effect or new action that must directly follow some cause.

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2.Could you please give me an example in which as a result/consequence don't work fine but therefore or thus does in formal situations?
Here are some examples from the dictionary. Are 'as a result', 'as a consequence' or 'consequently also work fine here?
1.The region has suffered severe flooding and tourists are therefore advised not to travel there.
2.The item you requested is no longer available, and therefore we are returning your cheque.
3.He�s only 17 and therefore not eligible to vote.
2 can use result or consequence. 1 can be made to do so if you change the sentence a bit to make them more active. For example:
1.The region has suffered severe flooding and as a consequence the government advised tourists not to travel there.
3 doesn't work because being 17 is not an action or change in condition that has a logical sequence that follows. though you could re-write as:
He will soon turn 18 and as a result will become eligible to vote.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Bob S.

Many thanks for your helpful explanation. However, I'm confused why as a result/consequence or consequently can't work in this way as in

The region has suffered severe flooding and tourists are as a result/consequence advised not to travel there.
and
The region has suffered severe flooding and tourists are consequently advised not to travel there.

Could you please explain the reason why? Is it because they can't be used with the passive?

Thank you very much for yor help.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

learner1 wrote:
Could you please explain the reason why? Is it because they can't be used with the passive?
Basically, yes. It sounds odd with a passive tense.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Bob S.,

Many thanks for your reply to my question. I'm now even more confused after consulting online dictionary about these words. For example:

1.She was over the age limit and, in consequence, her application was rejected. (from online dictionary)
(I think 'in consequence' mean the same as 'as a consequence' here)

2.You fight and contend with the wind, and consequently you are destroyed. (from online dictionary)

3.She didn't go to work for two weeks. As a result, she was fired. (from a book)

These examples show that they are used with a passive tense. Do you think all of them above are wrong and sound odd in this way?

Thank you very much.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

learner1 wrote:
1.She was over the age limit and, in consequence, her application was rejected. (from online dictionary)
(I think 'in consequence' mean the same as 'as a consequence' here)

2.You fight and contend with the wind, and consequently you are destroyed. (from online dictionary)

3.She didn't go to work for two weeks. As a result, she was fired. (from a book)

These examples show that they are used with a passive tense. Do you think all of them above are wrong and sound odd in this way?
"In consequence" sounds odd to me, but generally those examples work because to be rejected, to be destroyed, and to be (get) fired, though passive in verb tense, still imply an action due to a change in state. That is different from to be blue, to be tall, or to be comfortable where there is simply a stated condition with no implied change of state from any prior action or comparison to any alternatives.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Bob S.,

Thanks very much again for your answer. Do you mean "in consequence" isn't proper in the example because "over the age limit" is not an action or change in condition that has a logical sequence that follows?

If as a result/consequence and consequently can work with passive tense, why they can't work in the example "The region has suffered severe flooding and tourists are as a result/consequence advised not to travel there."?
I'm still confused about this.

Thanks a lot.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Bob S.

1.The region has suffered severe flooding and as a consequence the government advised tourists not to travel there.

Would it also work or sound odd if the above sentence was changed to as follows:

"The region has suffered severe flooding and as a result/consequence tourists are advised not to travel there."

"The region has suffered severe flooding and consequently tourists are advised not to travel there."


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2.She didn't go to work for two weeks. As a result, she was fired.

According to you, the above sentence is fine. Would it also work or sound odd if I changed it to:

She didn't go to work for two weeks. She was as a result/consequence fired.

She didn't go to work for two weeks. She was consequently fired.
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3.Their car was bigger and as a result more comfortable.

Strictly, does 'as a result' work fine here?



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

learner1 wrote:
1.The region has suffered severe flooding and as a consequence the government advised tourists not to travel there.
Would it also work or sound odd if the above sentence was changed to as follows:
"The region has suffered severe flooding and as a result/consequence tourists are advised not to travel there."
"The region has suffered severe flooding and consequently tourists are advised not to travel there.".
When you put the "as a result" or "consequently" in front of tourists instead of after are, it does have a more natural flow and works fine. (The more I repeat it to myself, the better it sounds each time. Very Happy )

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2.She didn't go to work for two weeks. As a result, she was fired.
According to you, the above sentence is fine. Would it also work or sound odd if I changed it to:
She didn't go to work for two weeks. She was as a result/consequence fired.
She didn't go to work for two weeks. She was consequently fired.
Those work fine. Though it would have better flow to put "as a result" in front of "she".

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3.Their car was bigger and as a result more comfortable.
Strictly, does 'as a result' work fine here?
It works basically because the use of bigger and more implies comparison to some previous or other condition (bigger than whose car? more comfortable than what other car?), and therefore a change in state. So it sounds fine.

It looks like you are starting to get the idea. You sound more and more natural each time. Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Bob S.

Many thanks for your reply and your compliment. Very Happy
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