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[Huy]

What do you think of Bush's Speech?
It was funny is when Bush tell the Iraqi's commander not to destroy oil fields

[chi-kei]

Frankly speaking, I think Bush is a joker indeed. He doesn't have any intelligence. He is just like the last Czar Nicolas the second, taking advices from wrong person and even think that war can benefit US by gaining national glories and the economical benifits. Lastly, it can save the weak economy in US after 911 Incident. Of course, the US now can not totally compare with the Russia in the past, as Us is the big brother in the world, no matter militarily, and econmicaly as well. But history still told me that using war to solve the problems was doomed to be failure, it 's causing lots of new problems instead.
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[pugachevV]

If it makes you feel superior to say that George W Bush has no intelligence, that tells us more about you than it does about him for much
as you may not like it, he is the leader of the world's most powerful nation and he is doing what he believes to be right.
I suppose that as you live in dictatorship yourself, you think that the rest of the world should be under the heel of tyrants? I have lived under such systems and believe me, democracy is much better. The more democratic the world becomes, the more peaceful it will become.

[chi-kei]

[Huy]

Hey guys chill!

Both of you have made a wrong argument about US�s democracy. It is not about US�s democracy that causes this war. It is the UN. We do not have a powerful UN to control aggressive actions and ruthless dictators. The UN is only a weak confederation. It is not a federation. UN must beg for support from other countries for its survival; and that is not a democracy. If UN was strong enough, Iraq won't be there in the first place and US can't never just attack or intervene with other countries' internal affairs. On the global level, we don't have democracy! There are a lot of people in US that are against war. We have hundred of demonstrations and protests. Soon enough, the voices will be heard and Bush must stop the war, or else he will lose the election. Bush is trying to bring DEMOCRACY through an UNDEMOCRATIC WAY. This is such an irony.

[chi-kei]

My speech was written to correct the misunderstanding of pugachevV.
He thought that US as a symbol of "democratic country", she would bring democratic idea to other countries and save them from evil. However, he didn't know the nature changing of US. It' not democracy, but imperialism instead.
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[action1201]

weak UN?It is not UN 's fault.the only dictator is Bush.Saddam did many wrong things in the past.But why only US and several western countries will go to war with him?because US need more oil ,force other country to accept his kind of freedom and democracy. he need change Arab world in order to stifle Russia.US only do what he need and do not care about any other country . if US only wants to go against Saddam and let the Iraq people lead a better life,everything will be OK. innocent!

[Diana]

[obelix]

Yes, Diana, George W. wrote a polite note on the front of a cruise misslie and sent it airmail to Saddam.
I guess Saddam was rather cross.

[one voice]

Obviously, the very least that persons who support this controversial war and President Bush can do is at least consider and respect why the very large majority of the people in the World are against it. Don't assume that they are misinformed or merely jealous of American power. The fact that the USA has failed miserably in gaining any real support outside of its own country is very troublesome both for the future of the USA and the rest of the World and a failure to acknowledge this by many War supporters particularly in America is part of the very problem.
Building resentment will only worsen International relations and jeapordize peace.
Americans, and the World, will both lose in the end.

[wing]

[ecc]

the most important and serious consequence is the bankruptcy of the united union.for both america and iraq ,the war couldnot change them too much .based on the previous experiences ,america is good at destroying a country it thinks undemocratic and evil,but perform awfully in helping to rebuild a new nation .

[obelix]

America itself is a new booming nation, so your argument is spurious.

[ecc]

america is a wealthy country doesnot necessarily mean that it is willing to help to rebuild those war-torn countries .quite countrary ,in fact america's spending on foreign assistance only makes up about half of one percent of the federal budget ,the lowest percentage of all developed coutries .but on the other hand ,america can spend hundreds of billions dollars for a war against iraq .it is an irony indeed .and i would like to add sth here:now that americans have launched the war regardless of the worldwide protests and opposition,they must shoulder the responsibility to help iraq to recover from the war by their own, and couldnot press other countries to pay for america's cause.

[obelix]

I would suggest that America is the most generous in terms of foreign aid.
America rebuilt Germany, France and kept the Soviet Union in check. It also helped Britain rebuild after the last world war.
None of this means anything to you who are too young to remember it because you have been fed a censored version of history.