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bree0123 · Joined: 27 Oct 2004 Posts: 10

Was Yassar Arafat a charismatic leader against Israeli aggression? Or a supporter of terrorism against innocent cilvilians?

In June 2000 Yassar was offered 95% of Palestinian demands and he rejected peace rather than recognize Israel as a legitimate state.

What will Yassar's legacy be? I tend towards the latter.

asterix · Joined: 26 Jan 2003 Posts: 1654

Terrorist, murderer of children, corrupt politician and thief.
Good riddance

element105 · Joined: 14 Jun 2004 Posts: 518 Location: Tsingtao,China

Well,it is really hard to judge a hero or a terrorist.Basically,it depends on which side you back up.You are in the country where the propagandas are inclined to palestine,you are supposed to think of him a hero;if you are in the country where the propagandas are inclined to israel,you are generally tending to think that he is a terrorist.

Diana · Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 494 Location: Guam, USA

With a new leader for the Palestinians, there is now hope that a Palestine state may exist in the near future.

mehrezsassi · Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 33 Location: Tunisia

This morning we have said goodbye to a leader that has dedicated all his life struggling for the rights of his people . He was the father , the brother and the leader . He was a great man . He was a real Palistinian in war or peace . He has never said "no" to peace and he has never given up holding a rifle on the other hand .

Today Arafat is buried , but still is the palistinian people living . The palistinian people will never die because there will be millions of Arafat , they will all struggle to live in peace like other people all over the world .
May Allah rest his soul in heaven . Goodbye Mr. Palistine

As for Asterix and Diana , every time you prove me and other readers that you are both dirty extremists and always blind to truth . IF ARAFAT IS A TERRORIST WHAT WOULD YOU CALL Sharon , that dirty bull of Israel

Diana · Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 494 Location: Guam, USA

hani · Joined: 27 Apr 2004 Posts: 95 Location: ksa

hi all

i think the truth is as clear as sun .in this unstable region

there is always vague facts to westrens and Americans.

Mr.Arafat struggled to have a free state but Mr. killer ( Sharoon)

does not want to see any Arabs in the world.

Sharoon is a murder
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Diana · Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 494 Location: Guam, USA

Dreamcatcher · Joined: 27 Oct 2004 Posts: 38

The hero for palestinians and arabs, and the terrorsist for the rest.

Lady, do you see how Araffat was burried..... by thousands of his own people. Was it neccesary to have elections? He was a true president. Bush was elected but how he was saluted..... by demonstrations!!

Do you really think something can change with his leaving?
This shocking funeral only showed how Palestinian hated Israils. I don`t believe in any negotiations. New Palestinian leader may decide whatever he wants and even start new negotiations but his people will arrange new terracts. And Sharon understands this, that`s why he`s doing without negotiations.

Diana · Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 494 Location: Guam, USA

If the new leader was smart and don't follow in Arafat's footsteps, then he will rein in the terrorists and negiotate wisely otherwise Israel will go ahead with their Berlin Wall so that the other side of the wall can call themselves Palestine for all Israel cares.

asterix · Joined: 26 Jan 2003 Posts: 1654

The point you are missing, dreamcatcher, is that in the USA you CAN protest against the leader without being shot. Try that in Ramallah or Beijing and see where it leads.

element105 · Joined: 14 Jun 2004 Posts: 518 Location: Tsingtao,China

asterix · Joined: 26 Jan 2003 Posts: 1654

How many people did the tanks injure? None.
Compare that to Beijing.

Dreamcatcher · Joined: 27 Oct 2004 Posts: 38

Asterix, i missed nothing.

If you protest against Arafat you will be shoted by civilian people but not police. And they will claim you. And i can`t imagine how palestinian protest against Arafat, if he is really palestinian. That`s their culture. They shoot but don`t speak because they are still living in the 19th century. They are not civilians like you or Ms.Diana, how they burry leader... you must have seen, that was different from your western funerals.
This is not a question of dictatorship. They know nothing about democracy and they don`t want it. They hate USA, Bush..... everything connected with it.
This is your problem if you can`t or don`t want to understand it. You like Condolisa Rais or Bush wear "pink glasses" believing that they will shout "bravo" if you give them elections. Asterix, they will shout "Allah, return our Yassir for us!".

Dreamcatcher · Joined: 27 Oct 2004 Posts: 38

[color=red][quote="Diana"]If the new leader was smart and don't follow in Arafat's footsteps, then he will rein in the terrorists and negiotate wisely otherwise Israel will go ahead with their Berlin Wall so that the other side of the wall can call themselves Palestine for all Israel cares.[/quote]

You really believe????? He will dig his own grave if he does it.