grammar question

ejkim · Post by **ejkim** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 11:56 pm

"he has lived in korea for ten years" does this sentence mean that he is no longer live in korea????

sita · Post by **sita** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 2:40 am

No, he is still living there!

Siân

Lorikeet · Post by **Lorikeet** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 4:23 am

"He has lived in Korea for ten years" means he started living in Korea ten years ago, and has continued living there up until now.

"He lived in Korea for ten years" means he lived in Korea in the past for a period of ten years, but you don't know which ten years it was.

sita · Post by **sita** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 7:46 am

He lived in Korea for 10 years also means he does not live there anymore

Siân

Lorikeet · Post by **Lorikeet** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 3:53 pm

Right!

LarryLatham · Post by **LarryLatham** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 5:50 am

Well, I like the way Lorikeet put it the first time.

It is at least possible, you must agree, that he lived in Korea for a period of ten years, then moved away for some period of time, and has now moved back to Korea. His friend is having a conversation with another person and says, "He lived..." So, we may not definitely conclude that he necessarily does not live in Korea at the moment.

Larry Latham

sita · Post by **sita** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 8:59 am

@Larry depending on the context you are right.

However IMHO simple past is used for something that is over.

Siân

neil · Post by **neil** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 10:07 am

"He lived in Korea for ten years before discovering the beauty of the east coast."

LarryLatham · Post by **LarryLatham** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 4:57 pm

Neil: Yes, your sentence does raise the possibility of his living there (on the east coast) now. Of course you've added more data to do that.

Sian: I'm not familiar with the terminology, "IMHO simple past." Can you tell me what IMHO means? Thanks.

I guess we've all beaten this pretty much to death!!!

Larry Latham

dduck · Post by **dduck** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 5:03 pm

LarryLatham wrote:Sian: I'm not familiar with the terminology, "IMHO simple past." Can you tell me what IMHO means?

IMHO = In my humble opinion.

Iain

LarryLatham · Post by **LarryLatham** » Sun Jul 06, 2003 4:59 pm

Ahhhh, thanks Iain. I guess my age is showing. If I'm to play this game, I guess I'll have to bone up on the jargon.

Larry Latham

P.S. Sian, I'm afraid I'd have to disagree with you about the meaning of the choice of Simple Past Tense by a user. But let's reserve that argument for another time and place.

It's too far from the original poster's question, which concerns use of retrospective form, in particular, Present Perfect.

dduck · Post by **dduck** » Sun Jul 06, 2003 5:16 pm

LarryLatham wrote:Ahhhh, thanks Iain. I guess my age is showing. If I'm to play this game, I guess I'll have to bone up on the jargon.

There some info at: http://kb.indiana.edu/data/adkc.html

Don't what you mean by showing your age - I've been using these terms for over 10 years. Eek!

Iain

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