List of grammar forms?

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List of grammar forms?

Post by james.brannan » Mon Sep 05, 2005 12:12 pm

Hi, I was wondering if there is anywhere online with a complete list of formalised grammar? Im guessing there is, but damned if I can find it....
thanks for any help
James

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Post by JuanTwoThree » Mon Sep 05, 2005 2:41 pm


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Post by james.brannan » Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:16 pm

Thanks, n&#305;ce gu&#305;des, but I after something which breaks the grammar down eg.

Simple past:
positive: he swam
subject + v2

negative: he didn't swim
s + didn't + v1

question: did he swim?
did + s + v1

etc etc.
I'm sure there must be lists somewhere? Would be sooo useful...
Thanks again :D
James

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Post by JuanTwoThree » Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:18 am

I don't think this is it either but it's worth linking to anyway:

http://visl.sdu.dk/visl/en/info/engglos.html

The "sentence analysis" part is particularly good

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Post by Andrew Patterson » Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:42 pm

:!: Search tip:These days, I always prefix my searches with "wiki". That way, I usually get the relevent wikipedia article and sometimes articles from other wikis.

These get better all the time.

The grammar article from wikipedia is at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammar

Hope you like it! :D
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Post by JuanTwoThree » Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:11 pm

I found the site I linked to above Andrews post when I was looking for concordancers and I had only looked briefly at the glossary page. Looking more closely I see passing references to a number of matters that have been raised on this forum:

"Existential sentence: existential sentences state that something or someone exists somewhere, or comes into existence. Typically there is used as provisional subject and the predicator is realized by BE or a near synonym, as in There was/remained a bottle of wine on the table" (see the "odd sentence" thread)

"Middle verb: a verb which appears not only in normal active and passive sentences but also in intransitive active, but notionally passive sentences with the AFFECTED participant as topicalized subject, e.g. The door opened." (we went into this more than once)

"Semi-auxiliary: semi-auxiliaries are verbs which are difficult to classify unambiguously as either auxiliaries or full verbs because they share properties with both subclasses. Verbs like OUGHT (to), USED (to), DARE, NEED, HAVE (to), KEEP, GET, BE (to), BE (about to), BE (going to) are semi-auxiliaries" (ring any bells?)

And even "Harzer's plural" :

"Attraction concord: concord between a verb and a form closer to the verb than the head noun of the subject, as in "The situation in Bosnian mountain areas and forests now seem critical". Such concord is erroneous, but is sometimes found when the verb is some distance from the subject head noun"

And there are more, as well as lots of useful terminology. Sometimes it seems that "Applied Linguistics" is a very grand title for this forum of (mostly) chalk-face teachers trying to thrash things out for themselves. Internet has taught me a lot but there is plenty to make me realise that a) somebody has already sorted out most of the things that perplex me, b) I don't know the half of it. Perhaps all these unheard from viewers of these threads are real linguists having a good laugh?

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