"Been" in AmEng

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"Been" in AmEng

Post by metal56 » Fri Sep 08, 2006 5:37 pm

I'm told that the "here" is necessary/cannot be omitted in AmEng in the following question:

Has the mailman been (here)?

Is that true?

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In BrEng, one would normally hear:

Has the postman been?

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Re: "Been" in AmEng

Post by Lorikeet » Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:35 am

metal56 wrote:I'm told that the "here" is necessary/cannot be omitted in AmEng in the following question:

Has the mailman been (here)?

Is that true?

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In BrEng, one would normally hear:

Has the postman been?
I would never say that sentence without the "here." I might say, "Has the mailman come yet?" And in fact, I would probably say, "Did you get the mail yet?" or "Did the mailman come yet?" or "Did the mail arrive?" ;)

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Post by lolwhites » Sat Sep 09, 2006 5:39 am

Of course, it would be perfectly possible to say Has the postman been here? in BrEng but the meaning would be slightly different. To me, it sounds like what a suspicious husband would ask his wife. Has the postman been? simply means has he delivered any letters?

Where did that footprint on the stairs come from? Has the postman been here again?

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Post by JuanTwoThree » Sat Sep 09, 2006 7:20 am

"been" seems to mean "gone/come to a place and done what is usually done there by that person".

You could use it in BrE with any number of tradespersons:

"The ___man's/woman's been, I see"

Or of staff: "Mrs Brown hasn't been. Nothing's been touched".

At my posh prep school (private and often boarding school from 8 to 13 years old in BrE) we were asked every night "Have you been?" and if you hadn't "been" for three days (they kept a record!) you were given a dose of something to make sure you'd "go" (to a place and do what you usually do there)

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Post by metal56 » Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:07 am

JuanTwoThree wrote:"been" seems to mean "gone/come to a place and done what is usually done there by that person".

I agree. Here "delivered", "visited", etc..

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Re: "Been" in AmEng

Post by metal56 » Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:08 am

Lorikeet wrote:
metal56 wrote:I'm told that the "here" is necessary/cannot be omitted in AmEng in the following question:

Has the mailman been (here)?

Is that true?

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In BrEng, one would normally hear:

Has the postman been?
I would never say that sentence without the "here." I might say, "Has the mailman come yet?" And in fact, I would probably say, "Did you get the mail yet?" or "Did the mailman come yet?" or "Did the mail arrive?" ;)
Thanks.

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Post by wilderson » Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:49 pm

I would never say that sentence without the "here."
I concur and was born and have lived 92.3% of my life in the U.S.

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Post by elodde » Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:46 am

In America we would require here.

British Eng is different (we would never say something like "did do" either) so it may work there, but not here.

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Post by metal56 » Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:28 am

elodde wrote:In America we would require here.

British Eng is different (we would never say something like "did do" either) so it may work there, but not here.
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Re: "Been" in AmEng

Post by oceanbreeze » Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:30 am

Lorikeet wrote:
metal56 wrote:I'm told that the "here" is necessary/cannot be omitted in AmEng in the following question:

Has the mailman been (here)?

Is that true?

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In BrEng, one would normally hear:

Has the postman been?
I would never say that sentence without the "here." I might say, "Has the mailman come yet?" And in fact, I would probably say, "Did you get the mail yet?" or "Did the mailman come yet?" or "Did the mail arrive?" ;)

Is it possible to say: "Did you get the mail yet?" or "Did the mailman come yet?"? I surely don't think so!

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Post by lolwhites » Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:45 pm

Is it possible to say: "Did you get the mail yet?" or "Did the mailman come yet?"? I surely don't think so!
I've heard Americans and Canadians say Did you...yet? but wouldn't expect to hear it in British English. I don't know if Australians, New Zealanders or South Africans would say it. Actually, I don't think any Antipodeans post here, which is a shame.

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Post by JuanTwoThree » Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:17 pm

Google "did you finish yet" and you'll see numerous examples. All US English I'd guess.

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Re: "Been" in AmEng

Post by elodde » Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:37 pm

oceanbreeze wrote: Is it possible to say: "Did you get the mail yet?" or "Did the mailman come yet?"? I surely don't think so!
It is amazing how ignorant people are to the world's Englishes, though we are all pretty sure based on our own what is correct or incorrect.

Yes these would be a sentence we would use in America. I ask my boyfriend everyday "Did you get the mail yet?"

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Post by Stephen Jones » Tue Oct 03, 2006 6:36 am

"did do" gets over 4 million hits on Google, the majority from American sites.

You shouldn't trust your intuition when it comes to saying something is not used.

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Post by Amy_H » Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:42 am

Hi all

Americans use the words yet and already quite regularly with the simple past tense.

Amy

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