"if you will" future reference.

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metal56
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"if you will" future reference.

Post by metal56 » Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:50 pm

Anything wrong with this sentence, IYOs?

"If you will be having an abdominal x-ray, be sure laboratory personnel and your doctors know you use this medicine."

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Post by Stephen Jones » Fri Mar 02, 2007 12:44 am

'will' in these cases is not a straightforward modal but has an element of volition, often the suggestion of perverse volition.

Here, however, it seems to me to be more a case of referring to something in the future that isn't arranged yet.

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Post by metal56 » Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:42 am

Stephen Jones wrote:'will' in these cases is not a straightforward modal but has an element of volition, often the suggestion of perverse volition.
Yes, that's true. Much of the time it has the meaning of "if you insist on/persist..."
Here, however, it seems to me to be more a case of referring to something in the future that isn't arranged yet.
So for you, the "will" is OK in that clause, right?

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Post by Stephen Jones » Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:40 pm

yes

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Who, for sure, eats chocolate?

Post by metal56 » Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:01 pm

1. Look, Sarah, if you will eat chocolate, you'll get spots.

2. Look, Mandy, if you eat chocolate, you'll get spots.

Is it certain that the listener in each sentence eats chocolate?

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Post by Stephen Jones » Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:48 am

It can be presumed in the first one if the sentence stress is "if you will eat chocolate....." but not if it is "If you'll eat chocolate", so I am not sure as to whether that second version is grammatical/idiomatic.

You can't make that presumption in the first sentence.

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