what's "it" in "it's raining"?

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Stephen Jones
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Post by Stephen Jones » Fri Sep 24, 2010 5:21 pm

English is a language, unlike Spanish, where you can't miss out the subject. The technical term for whether you can miss out the subject is the 'null subject parameter'.

The problem comes when there isn't a semantic subject. Nobody's doing the raining; so you use a dummy subject. The 'it' refers to nothing at all.

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Post by azamouri » Fri Sep 24, 2010 5:23 pm

This "Azamouri was wondering what the 'it' could be referring to, and in the process apparently trying to replace it with an actual noun" is exactly I want, thank you!!!

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Post by fluffyhamster » Fri Sep 24, 2010 5:28 pm

Heh, you're welcome, Azamouri! :wink: :)

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Post by azamouri » Fri Sep 24, 2010 5:43 pm

Thank you very much!

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Post by daleglendale » Sat Sep 25, 2010 3:40 pm

Some more interesting information,exploring the notion of the dummy subject/ weather"it" concept (taken from Wikipedia):

Weather it

In the phrase It is raining, the verb to rain is usually considered semantically impersonal, even though it appears as syntactically intransitive; in this view, the required it is to be considered a dummy word.

Contrarian views

However, there have been a few objections to this interpretation. Noam Chomsky has argued that the it employed as the subject of English weather verbs ("weather it", so called because of its predominant use in reference to weather) can control an adjunct clause, just like a "normal" subject. For example, compare:

She brushes her teeth before having a bath.

&#8594; She brushes her teeth before she has a bath.

It sometimes rains after snowing.

&#8594;It sometimes rains after it snows.

If this analysis is accepted, then the "weather it" is to be considered a "quasi-(verb) argument" and not a dummy word.

Some linguists like D.L. Bolinger go even further and claim that the "weather it" simply refers to a general state of affairs in the context of utterance. In this case, it would not be a dummy word at all. Possible evidence for this claim includes exchanges such as:

"Was it nice (out) yesterday?"
"No, it rained."

Luckily for most teachers, the overwhelming majority of students will just accept "it" as the subject when referring to the weather. Perhaps the same sort of acceptance is made when English speaking students learn a foreign language where a subject isn't always necessary.

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Post by azamouri » Sat Sep 25, 2010 4:29 pm

I can accept it since "it" is almost used in weather!

Thank you!

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