Relative clauses and agreement

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metal56
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Relative clauses and agreement

Post by metal56 » Wed May 26, 2004 1:23 am

"I reserve the term "phrasal verb" for a combination of words that has/have a meaning different from what would be expected from the individual words."

Would you say have or has, above? Are both possible? If so, what would it depend on?

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Post by LarryLatham » Wed May 26, 2004 4:31 am

I believe that both are possible and natural. If someone said, "...combination of words that has a meaning..." to me, I would interpret that by understanding the speaker was focusing on the combination and conceiving of it as a single unit.

On the other hand, if she said, "...combination of words that have a meaning...", I would be inclined to understand that she was focusing on the words and conceptualizing them as individual elements of a specified grouping.

Now, I feel certain that you are not confused about this, Metal56, and so wonder what you're up to. And I wonder if your observations square with mine. :wink:

On second look, however, I believe that "...has a meaning..." would be more likely from a native speaker, because of the specific ideas conveyed by the other elements of the sentence. Nonetheless, "...have..." is still possible. . . . Well, the more I look at it, I'll have to lean heavily in the direction of "has". :)

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Post by metal56 » Wed May 26, 2004 6:55 am

Now, I feel certain that you are not confused about this, Metal56, and so wonder what you're up to. And I wonder if your observations square with mine. :wink:



Larry Latham
Prescriptively pushed, which is no mean feat with me, I would plump for "has", but on another site the fighting has been furious the past few days over the right to use have. Not an easy area to advise on.

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Post by Andrew Patterson » Wed May 26, 2004 9:29 am

I'm with Larry too on this, come on metal, this is easy.

What are you up to?

You must have an alterior motive here.

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Post by Stephen Jones » Wed May 26, 2004 8:20 pm

The technical term is notional agreement.

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