would/used to
Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:29 am
Which would you say is more common when talking about past habit, "would" or "used to"?
Edited.
NB: See Willis extract below.
Edited.
NB: See Willis extract below.
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What makes you say that? Intuition? Concrete evidence of actaul usage? Which?Anuradha Chepur wrote:used to
Willis, gaining info from a concordancer states "would meaning used to is three times more frequent than used to meaning used to."fluffyhamster wrote:I suspect that 'used to' has a somewhat wider distribution, but that 'would' could be slightly more frequent overall (this would be a reflection of their related functions - see link below), but ellipsis (e.g. We'd chat, go out for long walks, then sit watching the stars...) might lower the count.
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Have a look at this:Anuradha Chepur wrote:I thought actual usage, however, I am not sure.
I think this is a bit puzzling like one of those 'count the triangles'
riddles. Initially you see only few, but careful observation will reveal a lot more embedded ones.
'would' sounds less common at first, but in reality, may be it is a lot more common than 'used to'.
I agree, but why then did you feel "used to" was used more?Anuradha Chepur wrote:I think it is cumbersome to use 'used to' in every sentence, and so people slip to 'would', which is also conveniently condensible to 'd.
Just as you won't say 'John' in sentence after sentence, but say 'he'.
Problem is, "used to" seems to be used more as an opener for talking about past habits, but then "would" takes its place to list more habits. So', we don't really get much info from a search of "when I was young I...".JuanTwoThree wrote:Googling, for what it's worth
"When I was young I would" 21000
"When I was young I'd" 17600
"When I was young I used to" 53800
This of course is written down English. Like others, I'd guess that "would" gets more use when speaking. Though "I used to smoke" meaning "Now I don't smoke" can't be uncommon.
Just to show how much we should trust Google for usage :
"I was wont to" 31200
Really? I'd have said the opposite. I hear "would" - the strong/uncontracted form - as quite formal, as noted above by Willis.Like others, I'd guess that "would" gets more use when speaking.
This is from the BNC:JuanTwoThree wrote:I agree, Google raises more questions than it answers. But "When I was young I used to" seems to be the most common opener. This is interesting:
"When I was young I used to" "I would" 24400
"When I was young I used to" "I'd" 19400
So perhaps an awful lot of those "When I was young I used to" are followed by "I would" in one form or another.
Yes, strong uncontracted "would" would be rare. I must have meant "would" in all its forms, assuming I meant anything at all.