5-year-olds -advice needed

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5-year-olds -advice needed

Post by Eliza » Tue Aug 19, 2003 11:24 am

Hello there!
As from October I'll be teaching groups of about 12 Italian five-year-olds, I'd like to hear any comments/opinions on the following:
1) Is it ok to use Italian in my lessons and not just English? I think it's probably best not to use Italian, in order to encourage communication and not translation, but then again it could help us get on with things....really not sure....
2) any ideas/activities that really work for this age..... let me know!
3) I already have CELTA and about 6 years experience, including children aged as young as seven, what courses or qualifications are there for me to develop in this area?

Thankyou for any comments! :D

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Post by Lorikeet » Tue Aug 19, 2003 10:17 pm

You might be interested in taking a peek at another thread on this board under Activities and Games (called, appropriately enough, 5-year olds): http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/teacher/v ... .php?t=544

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Thanks!

Post by Eliza » Wed Aug 20, 2003 3:09 pm

Thanks!
I just had a look and the replies were quite useful -noone mentions the using only English method with such young kids though and that's the bit I'm most interested in. Do you think that saying the odd phase such as "quiet now" in their language can help or harm? What if I choose the English only approach but then a child hurts themselves and I can't communicate he way they understand? I know that may seem extreem but if you go outdoors and do lots of physical stuff surely some games will end in tears? Any ideas....
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Post by Lorikeet » Wed Aug 20, 2003 8:49 pm

I must be the perfect person to ask, since I have abolutely no experience or expertise in this area at all. :roll: That said, I think you have to use a little common sense here. In my over 30 years of teaching, I have come to the conclusion that the eclectic approach is the best one, that anything the teacher feels enthusiastic about will probably work, and that you have to follow your teacher's intuition. If telling them to be quiet in their native language saves you ten minutes, it's worth it. If speaking their native language to comfort them if they fall makes them feel better, do it. I can't imagine following the "rules" to such an extent as to make the students feel ill-at-ease or unhappy. You can follow an "English only" approach 85% of the time and be very successful. I'm sure there are plenty of things you can do using the language that will work just fine. And five-year-olds should learn a lot faster than adults, which are the students I usually teach!

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Post by Roger » Thu Aug 21, 2003 10:58 am

Ideally, you should be assisted by their head teacher. Kindergarten classes are a whole lot different from "real" school - kids here learn how to learn, and many activities are geared to develop their various skills, including fine motor skills (motion etc.). So, you cannot simply "teach" and watch as they acquire "knowledge'. Much of what you are teaching you have to demonstrate, and discipline and obedience are prerequisites that an assistant can better maintain than you.

I teach in Chinese kindergartens, and I manage my class in English entirely, although I might make a concession to Chinese once in a while. What's important is that you must establish a routine from the outset, so kids know what is going to happen. There should be the greeting ritual with the pupils standing up and formally welcoming you to their classroom.
Next i suggest a well-structured teaching plan. Try to think 3, 6 months ahead, and where your learners should be by that time; how are you going to teach them the necessary expressions and vocabulary? I assure you you can do it without translation - provided you do not overestimate your kids' brain power.
The translation approach presupposes that the kid "knows" the concept and the word(s) in his/her first language; this is not always the case. Kids may "know" "adult" words such as "coffee" or "go shopping", but in the kids' own lives, these concepts have not arrived yet. Thus, these kids might "know" that 'coffee' is a kind of funny black drink that some adults drink; translating is easy - but understanding???

Understanding comes from experience, and that means you should put yourself in the kids' shoes.
You need to help them explore the physical world, themselves, and experience whatever they can experience. Physical activities are very helpful - doing exercises (naming body parts involved in the exercises), for example. I staged running, jumping and other races - and both the activity as such as well as the competitive nature of the event were highly motivating for my kids.
Drawing is another way of learning to conceptualise the world in a new medium. They love drawing and writing, and this stimulates their imagination. You can draw animals, objects, people, letters and numbers.

Don't forget your kids are still learning their first tongue too. That's why it is not the best idea to use a bilingual approach! They are still learning how to come to grips with such abstract notions as "I, you, he, she, we, you, they", the plural and singular, tenses (yes, I successfully introduced grammar on the sly, not in a formal way, but through training).
As a rough indication, let's say you need to teach your kids a few hundred words (no more than 500), but don't forget, they come in different shapes, thus the actual number they have to learn to handle is several times this number.
Add to this some grammar and syntax elements:
- Simple present tense; present continuous tense ("we are going to run");
- singular versus plural;
- SVA (I, you, we, they have/give/do versus he/she/it has/gives/does).
Topics:
- I and my body;
- boy(s)(, girl(s);
- action, movements: Run, jump, go, come, walk, go forward/backward;
- numbers;
- notion of time: Weekdays, birthdays, yesterday, tomorrow (plus
appropriate tenses); months;
- colours (best taught by showing objects);
- home and family; household appliances;
- animals (best taught via the teaching of the ABC!);

and so on. Think of reading aloud stories for young children! Use illustrated books!

And a word of advice:
Always plan for a lesson of revision once in a while!

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Post by Eliza » Thu Aug 21, 2003 11:46 am

Thankyou both for sharing your experiences with me. I've been told there won't be an assistant in with me except for when there are children with physical disabilities or a boy with a type of autism. I'm glad they'll be there then and I'll have to manage the other groups myself -I should manage this, I agree totally with establishing a routine and letting the children know what our sessions will be like from the beginning.
You've made some great points -can't wait to get started.

A funny thing is they've told me I am not allowed to teach the alphabet -seems odd to me!

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Post by Roger » Fri Aug 22, 2003 5:09 am

The ban on the use of the ABC is bad news, really. But this should nbot dampen your optimism. Perhaps someone else is teaching them the letters.
I ran into the same red tape in China. Perseverance on my part made short shrift of a counterproductive and brainless decision. In the end, all recognised teaching the kids to write letters is a good way of keeping kids busy, making them think and disciplining them (they were a lot more absorbed in their learning than in the typical kids sit and teacher stands configuration with you telling them what they must "say".
The rationale - laboured though it may sound - for not allowing five-year olds to write was that "their hands are too small to hold a pen". Humbug, I say! It is true that three-year olds are seriously handicapped, and I quickly abandoned my writing project. Four-year olds are a lot more agile. You can teach them how to draw - why not how to 'draw' letters?
The letters do not necessarily have to be precise forms; rather, I used outlines with hollow spaces inside for the kids to fill them with colour crayons. With each letter they acquired a number of vocables: A as in 'ant', 'animal'; B as in 'bear, bee', C as in 'circle (a little tricky as 'C' is pronounced as a 'K' when it is followed by vowels A, O, U, but as "S' when followed by vowels 'E', 'I'), etc.
Funny enough, the kids after one year still would write many letters the wrong way, say a lower-case 'q' would become a 'p', but that is not to discourage you: what it does prove is that the children have learnt to conceptualise certain shapes, which I consider an important step.
Anyway, if they won't allow you to teach them writing, you have plenty of things to do just by acting and using visuals.

I would be more concerned about the fact that you are not going to be assisted in a class of 25 youngsters. Good luck anyway,
ROger

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Post by Eliza » Sat Aug 23, 2003 11:37 am

The ban on ABC is both written and spoken. Noone else is teaching them the letters as I will be their only English teacher. I get 50minutes twicw a week with each group. Luckily there'll be only UP TO 12 kids in each group not 25 like you seem to think Roger!!
The people who have arranged the program say no to ABC because the children are learning their own alphabet (including how to write the letters) and they don't want the children getting confused between the two. I completely disagree with them -the children will discover for 'a dog' they say one thing and that there is another (English) way to say it too, is it not the same for the alphabet? I don't think for their sponge-like minds it would be difficult to learn two ways of saying the same symbol. Unfortunately, I cannot decide the program and I don't think this year there is a chance of change so it will be no alphabet and I'll just make sure I cover all sounds for pronunciation and think of ways of avoiding it.

I've visited the schools now and I shouldn't have any problems with situations like children having too small hands for pens (!) They all seem quite, well, normal as well as modern minded and experimental especially with arts and crafts. They even have an oven to bake their clay work.
Thanks,
Eliza.

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Post by Roger » Sun Aug 24, 2003 3:39 am

Eliza,

I completely sympathise and agree with you! Unfortunately, some of our employers are stubborn. There is not much we can do. Same thing in China. I dodge and deceive authorities - in the interest of the kids!

But with two 50 minute lessons a week, you won't have much to worry about. If you are allowed to make them draw, that would be great! Eventually, you can slip in a letter from time to time. Say, you teach them to draw an elephant, you insert a 'mamma E' and a 'baby e' into the drawing, or into the name 'Elephant'.
50 minutes is a long time. I never have such long lessons here in China. However, sometimes, I wish I had a little more time as for instance when I go orienteering with them, or do exercises.

There was a great Italian educator, Maria Montessori. You can even visit a chatroom on www.montessori. (com or org, I forgot). Run a goolge search!

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Post by Eliza » Sun Aug 24, 2003 11:04 am

I think dodging and deceiving is the way forward! :wink:

The lesson time should be alright (I hope) They say when I go to the school Ithe fifty minutes includes greeting all the children and if they haven't finished their morning fruit time that I join in with them as a group and then when we're ready we can begin our activities for the day -it all seems quite flexible. I'm hoping I'll be lucky.

What do you think about using videos with young children? Are their any designed to teach specific vocab etc? Is it useful, (I'm sure it's enjoyable)seeing as I've got a good time, to show them 10 /15 minutes of cartoons/disney film every so often?

A colleague of mine says it's best to start off with characters they know, stories they're familiar with (little red riding hood, goldilocks) because it's easier for them, is this true or am I free to go along with other stories right from the beginning?

Eliza

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Post by Roger » Sun Aug 24, 2003 1:38 pm

Yes, a flexible framework! Videos?
I did use videos, but I am not sure if you can find something similar in Italy. What I used were videos that portrayed a monkey baby and his parents and friends. It was called "English Wonderland', and was a kind of continuous story that evolved over 5 VCD's with a total of some 70 episodes.
It was great watching the kids who were watching intently the unfolding of the story, and on cue, they would repeat some of the dialogues. No translation was necessary as the images spoke for themselves.
This series was made in China, though, and one warning would be necessary: the kids do need some grounding in the English language before they can benefit from such videos.

There is some discussion underway as to whether the watching of movies either on TV or on a video machine is helpful. CLearly, some people do pick up a good deal of the target language by immersing themselves in the scenes unfolding on the screen albeit as passive onlookers.
That seems to be the stumbling-block for others: they do not take part in the dialogues, thus, no speaking skill is acquired.
I doubt this argument, but I do believe too much TV or watching of videos is counterproductive.
I scheduled one lesson of video per week with 5 lessons in five days.

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