The clownfish is no happier...
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The clownfish is no happier...
I have an eager-beaver student who just watched Finding Nemo, and wants to know about the following grammar construction: "The clownfish is no happier than any other fish."
"Why "no" and not "not?" he queried querulously. "What is this called? When can I use it?"
Sigh.
Ideas?
"Why "no" and not "not?" he queried querulously. "What is this called? When can I use it?"
Sigh.
Ideas?
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Even if the explanation is still lacking, it often helps to look at other examples until something clicks (which is why I am always recommending umpteen books to people in the hope that they'll buy more than one).
For example, I looked in my Chambers Essential English Grammar and Usage (picked at random) and found the following:
The clownfish is not happier (= it is...instead?).
The clownfish is no happier (= even though you may have been assuming that with a name like that it would or should be much happier)
For example, I looked in my Chambers Essential English Grammar and Usage (picked at random) and found the following:
'Not' might appear in answer to a question (Is she (any) better? No (she's not (better))), whereas 'no' seems to function to correct an unspoken assumption (I doubt if it is used in answers). Then there is the notional link to 'any' to consider; also, gradation and/or change of the adjective/state described rather than an apparently simpler clear-cut not-negation. Anyway...AS AN ADVERB
1 No has special uses with comparative forms:
You say, for example, She's no better today, meaning 'Her condition hasn't improved at all.' (You can also say She isn't any better today. See also any).
The clownfish is not happier (= it is...instead?).
The clownfish is no happier (= even though you may have been assuming that with a name like that it would or should be much happier)
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How is it different from There is no easy answer as opposed to There isn't an easy answer? If the student has no trouble with that pair, they shouldn't struggle with The clownfish is no happier...
It strikes me that the difference is one of emphasis. However, if your student is one of those who doesn't think he understands unless he has a nale for the construction, even though he can use it fine, I'm none the wiser
It strikes me that the difference is one of emphasis. However, if your student is one of those who doesn't think he understands unless he has a nale for the construction, even though he can use it fine, I'm none the wiser
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I couldn't resist "I'm none the wiser"
Perhaps the starting point of "no better" is "no good" and that might arise from a slight confusion about what part of speech "good" is:
I'm no angel.
Evil vs Good.
I'm no good.
It's no use.
It's no good.
It's isn't any good.
There's no use worrying about it.
There's no good worrying about it (*?)
You're no good and I'm no better.
Merriam-Webster reckons "It's no good" has a noun in it:
"b: something useful or beneficial <it's no good trying"
Which doesn't even begin to explain "no" with any other adjective.
Maybe it's Scots!
Perhaps the starting point of "no better" is "no good" and that might arise from a slight confusion about what part of speech "good" is:
I'm no angel.
Evil vs Good.
I'm no good.
It's no use.
It's no good.
It's isn't any good.
There's no use worrying about it.
There's no good worrying about it (*?)
You're no good and I'm no better.
Merriam-Webster reckons "It's no good" has a noun in it:
"b: something useful or beneficial <it's no good trying"
Which doesn't even begin to explain "no" with any other adjective.
Maybe it's Scots!
And: "The biggest sort of these were not bigger than larks, some no bigger than wrens, all singing with great variety of fine shrill notes; and..."
Jespersen says that not above 30 means either 30 or less than 30, but no more than means "as little as" and no less than means "a much as".
He gives an example:
"The rank and file of doctors are no more scientific than their tailors; or their tailors are no less scientific than they."
He goes on to say:
no more than three = three only
not more than three = three at most
"he paid no less than 20 pounds implies astonishment at the greatness of the amount, which was exactly 20 pounds; he paid not less than 20 pounds implies uncertainty as to the exact amount, which was, at the very least, 20 pounds"
The Philosophy of Grammar. By Otto Jespersen.
How all that relates to our question, I've still to work out.
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no more happy than = as happy
not more happy than = as happy or less
he's no more than an idiot = he's an idiot
?he's not more than an idiot = he's an idiot or just less than one
Jespersen says that not above 30 means either 30 or less than 30, but no more than means "as little as" and no less than means "a much as".
He gives an example:
"The rank and file of doctors are no more scientific than their tailors; or their tailors are no less scientific than they."
He goes on to say:
no more than three = three only
not more than three = three at most
"he paid no less than 20 pounds implies astonishment at the greatness of the amount, which was exactly 20 pounds; he paid not less than 20 pounds implies uncertainty as to the exact amount, which was, at the very least, 20 pounds"
The Philosophy of Grammar. By Otto Jespersen.
How all that relates to our question, I've still to work out.
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no more happy than = as happy
not more happy than = as happy or less
he's no more than an idiot = he's an idiot
?he's not more than an idiot = he's an idiot or just less than one
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I see what SJ means:
He's not an angel.
He's no angel.
The first is what he isn't but we don't know what he is: he may be a cherub.
The second is what he is: unangelic.
I'm not German vs I'm no German
You could say:
"She's not good, she's wonderful"
but not, unless you mean something completely different,:
She's no good, she's wonderful.
So "I'm not happier" is what I'm not without saying what I am, but "I'm no happier" is what I am: as happy as before.
He's not an angel.
He's no angel.
The first is what he isn't but we don't know what he is: he may be a cherub.
The second is what he is: unangelic.
I'm not German vs I'm no German
You could say:
"She's not good, she's wonderful"
but not, unless you mean something completely different,:
She's no good, she's wonderful.
So "I'm not happier" is what I'm not without saying what I am, but "I'm no happier" is what I am: as happy as before.
I'm not happier than I was a year ago." sounds like "true" negation. Sound like negation of something that has gone before, e.g. a comment, thought, assumption, etc.So "I'm not happier" is what I'm not without saying what I am, but "I'm no happier" is what I am: as happy as before.
"I'm no happier than I was a year ago." doesn't sound like a "real" negation of something that went before.
How about here:I see what SJ means:
He's not an angel.
He's no angel.
The first is what he isn't but we don't know what he is: he may be a cherub.
The second is what he is: unangelic.
What's her little boy like? Is he well-behaved?
Well, he's no saint/not a saint, but, yes, he's reasonably well-behaved.
How about She's no spring chicken vs She's not a spring chicken?
I once had a Russian student who tried to use the former phrase, but kept saying He's not a chicken, which raised a few chuckles in the staff room. The thing is, he couldn't see what was wrong with She's not a spring chicken as he'd been told they "meant the same thing"
I once had a Russian student who tried to use the former phrase, but kept saying He's not a chicken, which raised a few chuckles in the staff room. The thing is, he couldn't see what was wrong with She's not a spring chicken as he'd been told they "meant the same thing"
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