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Dual Citizenship - Why doesn't Korea allow it?
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Hanson



Joined: 20 Oct 2004

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 6:30 pm    Post subject: Dual Citizenship - Why doesn't Korea allow it? Reply with quote

I was just having a think about possible future scenarios for me and my family and was wondering what the reasoning is behind Korea's (and many other countries, for that matter - but I'd like to focus on Korea) stance on dual citizenship.

Canada, Australia, the United States, England, Ireland, and most (?) other advanced nations allow for dual citizenship, but Korea does not.

My daughter was born on Korean soil, and has lived here ever since, but does not get Korean citizenship because my wife switched to Australian citizenship many moons ago. Despite my daughter's obvious Korean heritage, she is not granted Korean citizenship.

Children of mixed marriages (Korean + Non-Korean) must effectively choose their citizenship once they reach adult-age (whatever age that happens to be).

Now, I'm no poli-sci/cultural expert, so I'm asking - what's the reasoning behind this? Wouldn't allowing dual citizenship be a good thing for the country?
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PeteJB



Joined: 06 Jul 2007

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually dual citizenship is being considered by the government now.
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justaguy



Joined: 01 Jan 2008
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too many Koreans would claim to be a foreigner so they could skip out on their military service obligations.

Korean guys generally do not like people who try to weasel out of their army service.
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Hanson



Joined: 20 Oct 2004

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

justaguy wrote:
Too many Koreans would claim to be a foreigner so they could skip out on their military service obligations.

Korean guys generally do not like people who try to weasel out of their army service.


Ok, so why not say "If you do your military service - you can have both..."? At least that way they could carry both. I'm not saying it would be worth it to go through two-plus years of military, I'm just saying the possibility could be offered, if that's the only obstacle to outright dual citizenship.
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Adventurer



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea is not the only advanced country that doesn't allow dual citizenship.
Germany doesn't allow it. The US allows it, but it frowns upon dual citizenship. I think in this global era, it makes sense to have it.
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Hanson



Joined: 20 Oct 2004

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Although dual citizenship is restricted under German law, it can be held in limited circumstances:

where a child born to German parents acquires another citizenship at birth (e.g based on place of birth, or descent from one parent)
where a German citizen acquires a foreign nationality with the permission of the German government
where a naturalized German citizen, or a child born to non-German parents in Germany, obtains permission to keep their foreign nationality
A senior Social Democratic member Ralf Stegner, who is the interior minister in the regional state of Schleswig-Holstein, has asked the German chancellor to change dual-nationality law to allow dual-nationality to all citizens of Germany. He feels that Germany should allow multi-nationality to integrate many of the Gastarbeiter who live in Germany. [2]



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_nationality_law[/quote]
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justaguy



Joined: 01 Jan 2008
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Theoreticly it could work but it's simply not realistic.

I don't think anyone in his right mind would want to be in the Korean army for 2 years if he didn't have to.

I haven't heard a Korean guy yet say it was fun.
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excitinghead



Joined: 18 Jul 2005

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's much more complicated than just military service issues.

If you really want to understand Koreans' thoughts on citizenship then I highly recommend picking up the 2006 book "Ethnic Nationalism in Korea: Genealogy, Politics, and Legacy" by Gi-Wook Shin. In a nutshell, he says that back in the 1870s-1900s, Korean intellectuals were engaged in an active debate about the developing Korean nation-state and what form of citizenship would be developed, and Japanese colonization tipped the majority into ultimately advocating a "bloodlines"-based one, based on your family background rather than where you were born, and very similar to those in Japan and Germany. Later, Korean military dictators both found appeals to this sort of nationalism useful and at the same time repressed the development of civil-society and legalistic notions of citizenship.

What all that means practically is that Koreans have very black and white notions of who is or isn't a "Korean", and hence you have Koreans in America and in Korea feeling the need to apologise for the shootings at Virginia Tech for instance, but for someone who emigrated when he was eight and could barely speak a word of the language and to people who really didn't care where he was from. Similarly, when dictator Alberto Fujimori in Peru had to hightail it out of the country he could live in Japan (with similar ideas of citizenship) because his great great grandmother was Japanese. Meanwhile, people born in Japan but with Korean parents and grandparents who've been there for 100 years don't get automatic citizenship.

The government is considering dual citizenship mainly to attract foreign investors. It doesn't reflect any genuine belief that merely living and working here, speaking the language, marrying a local, or having children here actually makes you genuinely Korean in any way. I'm guilty of all the above, but I suspect that I'll never be genuinely accepted here.

An irreverent look at Korean social issues:
http://thegrandnarrative.wordpress.com/


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Thiuda



Joined: 14 Mar 2006
Location: Religion ist für Sklaven geschaffen, für Wesen ohne Geist.

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adventurer wrote:
Korea is not the only advanced country that doesn't allow dual citizenship.
Germany doesn't allow it. The US allows it, but it frowns upon dual citizenship. I think in this global era, it makes sense to have it.


Germany does allow dual citizenship, though you have to prove that you have family ties in both nations when you apply for it. I hold British, Canadian and German citizenship, as I was able to prove ties to each nation, i.e. family and property.

http://www.auswandern-aktuell.de/beratungsdienst/beratung/zweitpass0.html

Quote:
Der Kompromiss zum neuen Staatsangehörigkeitsrecht (StAG), den der Bundestag am 7. Mai
1999 mit breiter Mehrheit verab-schiedet hatte, wurde am 01.01.2000 rechtskräftig.

Das neu verabschiedete Gesetz beinhaltet u.a. einige Verbesse-rungen für im Ausland lebende
Deutsche, die eine ausländische Staatsbürgerschaft erwerben, dabei aber ihre deutsche Staats-
bürgerschaft beibehalten wollen. Unter bestimmten (erfüllbaren) Auflagen, darunter "fortbestehen-
de Bindungen" an Deutschland, können Auslandsdeutsche, vor der Erlangung einer Staatsbür-
gerschaft ihres Wohnlandes, über ihre örtlichen Konsulate beim Bundesverwaltungsamt eine so-
genannte "Beibehaltungsgeneh-migung" (BBG) beantragen.

Die inhaltliche Ausgestaltung der entsprechenden gesetzlichen Bestimmungen erfolgt durch die
sogenannten allgemeinen Verwaltungsvorschriften, zu deren Erlass das Bundesministerium des
Innern im Gesetzestext ausdrücklich ermächtigt wurde. Damit diese Ausführungsbestimmungen
rechtzeitig vorliegen, wurde dieser Teil vorzeitig in Kraft gesetzt und wirksam.


Gute Kriterien für fortbestehende Bindungen an Deutschland:

• Eltern / Verwandte ersten Grades noch in Deutschland.
• Grundbesitz / Immobilie(n) in Deutschland.
• Konto (Spar- und/oder Girokonto) oder andere Geldanlagen in Deutschland.
• Besuch deutscher Schulen; Besuche in Deutschland.
• Mitgliedschaft in deutschen Clubs, Vereinen usw.
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Adventurer



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Korean Government realizes there are serious problems in Korea when it comes to the economy and brain drain. Also, the Conservatives, though they are called Conservatives, are in some ways liberals. They are Conservatives in the sense of being pro-business, but they are pro-foreign as well, but that also ties into business. They also do not like some of the old style nationalist Koreans in many cases, and the president thinks some of those elements are backward and keep Korea behind. However, he must contend with them. I brought up Germany, because the OP mentioned all advanced states give dual citizenship.
It is only relat