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Azale
Joined: 25 Jan 2012 Posts: 2 Location: Texas
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:53 pm Post subject: Ok, so where do I start? |
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There are so many things that need to be looked into, so many options that need to be considered. I've browsed around this forum, the Korea jobs one, and a few others but I still feel a sense of information overload. I'm a guy who's brain works with lists!
So basically, what are the most important things I need to consider? A checklist I guess. Work papers, who to work through, who to contact about working, what countries to look at, how much I can expect to save, what to avoid, who to avoid, etc.
Some information about myself:
-I am an undergraduate senior, I'll have my BA in history and political science by May.
-the only teaching experience I have is my current job, tutoring privately and in class lecture style at my university. I would imagine ESL to be so radically different that this experience is pretty much useless.
-my main interests are East Asian history, economics, and political systems. I've read that East Asia is pretty much the best location for ESL, so this is a nice coincidence.
-my main goals in ESL would be a mix of "seeing the world" and saving. I can live a fairly austere life style if it means saving a good deal. ESL (and Teach for America if I could get into that) would be platforms for getting me into graduate school and into a career I'm happy with. I don't see teaching as my career.
I appreciate you guys spending so much time to help newbies out like me. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:17 am Post subject: |
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my main goals in ESL would be a mix of "seeing the world" and saving. |
I'd say start here. Determine where you would/wouldn't like to live and how much you intend to save. That should narrow down the list of some countries for you. Figure a possible date you would want to start, too.
Then, consider the climate in each of the countries. Perhaps a bit more paring down after that.
Then, determine what sort of teaching is available in those countries (conversation school, ALT, whatever), and which you prefer. This might affect a visa requirement, so that would follow in your research
Look into the tax situation, whether you have to pay there and at home, and if this is acceptable to you.
Setup costs (including paid airfare by you vs. employer, rent deposits, etc.).
Beyond that, I'd say scour the country-specific forums here and elsewhere and see what major problems you might face in other areas of living/working. |
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jpvanderwerf2001
Joined: 02 Oct 2003 Posts: 1117 Location: New York
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:33 am Post subject: |
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Nice response from Glenski. His point about how much you need to save is highly relevant. For instance, for many new graduates, student loan payments can be a real factor.
I would definitely recommend a TEFL course if you can swing one financially. In fact, getting, say, a CELTA somewhere can lead directly to a job. Why not look into CELTA courses in a place you'd be interested in living? I know it costs some cash, but it will be beneficial to you in the future.
Best of luck. |
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Azale
Joined: 25 Jan 2012 Posts: 2 Location: Texas
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 3:43 am Post subject: |
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Glenski wrote: |
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my main goals in ESL would be a mix of "seeing the world" and saving. |
I'd say start here. Determine where you would/wouldn't like to live and how much you intend to save. That should narrow down the list of some countries for you. Figure a possible date you would want to start, too.
Then, consider the climate in each of the countries. Perhaps a bit more paring down after that.
Then, determine what sort of teaching is available in those countries (conversation school, ALT, whatever), and which you prefer. This might affect a visa requirement, so that would follow in your research
Look into the tax situation, whether you have to pay there and at home, and if this is acceptable to you.
Setup costs (including paid airfare by you vs. employer, rent deposits, etc.).
Beyond that, I'd say scour the country-specific forums here and elsewhere and see what major problems you might face in other areas of living/working. |
Awesome post. I think East Asia (esp. SK, Japan, or Taiwan) would provide the best mix of opportunities for saving, setup costs, and availability of positions.
I'm hoping to start sometime before next August, so I've been researching as much as my schedule allows me. The threads here and on the Korea forums have been indispensable to me so far.
jpvanderwerf2001 wrote: |
Nice response from Glenski. His point about how much you need to save is highly relevant. For instance, for many new graduates, student loan payments can be a real factor.
I would definitely recommend a TEFL course if you can swing one financially. In fact, getting, say, a CELTA somewhere can lead directly to a job. Why not look into CELTA courses in a place you'd be interested in living? I know it costs some cash, but it will be beneficial to you in the future.
Best of luck. |
My plan is to pay at least a little more than the minimum required student loan payments monthly, to get a head start.
A TEFL course might give me more tools for being a good teacher, but I've heard conflicting things as to whether it's even required in places like Japan. I don't know much about onsite training vs. something like a TEFL.
CELTA's run into the thousands of dollars and I don't think it improves my employment chances in the countries I'm interested in, and I'm also unsure as to whether I would recoup the loss in any kind of higher wage. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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In Japan on-site training is a joke, IMO. Eikaiwas either don't have any, or it's 1-2 days just explaining how they want things done, for the most part. Bigger eikaiwa might have you observe a few classes.
CELTA is almost not even known here. The point, though, is that because it's so flooded with teachers here, something like a CELTA might give you an edge over others, or at least over other newbies. I really wouldn't know, and this is just an educated guess. Of course, certification like that will also be valuable for people who have no background in EFL/ESL, and it will serve them well elsewhere if they choose to leave Japan for other teaching jobs.
Sounds like you're not going to be in EFL long anyway, so consider that. |
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