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Any single women working in Makkah/Madinah?
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musaafira



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 3:18 pm    Post subject: Any single women working in Makkah/Madinah? Reply with quote

Are there any single women here working in Makkah or Madinah? Can you talk about your experience/life there? Or if anyone knows of such people and their experiences, please post here. I read a lot of threads about Jeddah and Riyaadh and so on, but not these cities, probably because non-Muslims are restricted there.

In any case, please do share.

Thanks
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2buckets



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Assuming you are a Muslim woman, life would not be much different for you than in other SA cities, maybe a little more sensitive to conservative dress.
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musaafira



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for the reply,

it would be nice to hear from any people who worked there before,

please do post here.

thanks
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ksam



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Any single women working in Makkah/Madinah? Reply with quote

A single female would be required to bring a male relative (father, brother) with her as a condition of her employment contract. From my knowledge, this applies solely to the cities of Makkah and Madinah, and not other Saudi citites.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Mahram" is required throughout KSA for female employees.
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scot47 wrote:
"Mahram" is required throughout KSA for female employees.

Yes, but... I don't know of any single female teacher who had to bring one. I presume that their employer is a substitute.

VS
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inKIMtax



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:28 pm    Post subject: Any single women working in Makkah/Madinah? Reply with quote

I am a single, non-muslim woman and I've just been hired to teach in Medinah. I have been researching and networking for several days now but still don't have enough info so I would also like to hear back from anyone who knows anything about someone like me living in Medinah.

One recruiter told me that I wouldn't be allowed to go anywhere without a male escort. He told me that shopping, restaurants, salons, grocery stores would all be off limits because I'm not a muslim.

BUT... I have spoken with several credible sources now who have both told me that Medinah is a beautiful, friendly city filled with lots of different people and that I will be able to get around just fine.

I am still waiting on all my networking sources but I'm feeling better about moving there now. The weird thing is that there isn't a lot of stuff on the Internet about non-muslim, single females living there.
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:44 am    Post subject: Re: Any single women working in Makkah/Madinah? Reply with quote

inKIMtax wrote:

One recruiter told me that I wouldn't be allowed to go anywhere without a male escort. He told me that shopping, restaurants, salons, grocery stores would all be off limits because I'm not a muslim.

To be honest, I'd stay far far away from this job. It will be like having a prison job... and you will be the prisoner.

That is just my opinion, but even after teaching in the Gulf/Middle East for over 15 years (as a single non-Muslim woman), I wouldn't put myself into a job and living situation like this. There is a very good reason why you can't find many on the net... few would move there if they are making an informed choice.

VS
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I totally agree with VS about withdrawing from this particular job offer and find it odd that you'd accepted the job despite the bleak living situation painted by the recruiter. Your life will be ultra restricted and subsequently, a huge strain on your mental health which will likely affect your teaching as well.

Anyway, whatever your choice, good luck.


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jaffa



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatever you do, DO NOT go there. I was posted in Medinah once and if you are not a believer (which I am certainly not - I left after 2 days) you are restricted to certain areas for non-Muslims. Ie. pretty much nowhere. As a female you'll be royally screwed. As others have said, it's bad enough in the rest of KSA for women, so there I dread to think what you would be able to do.

As for people who say the people are super-friendly, blah blah, they'll be friendly if you convert to the cult, but otherwise they'll be even more annoyed than elsewhere in the country that an 'infidel' is in their midst.

Medinah beautiful? Hehe Laughing Only if you are into black and dead volcanoes. Other than that it looks like any other Saudi city.
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Wilsonthefarmer



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Any single women working in Makkah/Madinah? Reply with quote

inKIMtax wrote:
I am a single, non-muslim woman and I've just been hired to teach in Medinah. I have been researching and networking for several days now but still don't have enough info so I would also like to hear back from anyone who knows anything about someone like me living in Medinah.

WARNING
Non-Muslims are strictly prohibited from entering Central Medina. The penalty is deportation from the country. Documentation will be checked upon entry and anyone not showing proof of being Muslim will be denied entry. However, many parts of the city, notably the outskirts and the Medina Airport, are open to all.
http://wikitravel.org/en/Medina
LeMeridien Medina, [6]. Previously the Sheraton, this is the only branded hotel in Medina open to non-Muslims. Near the airport and often used by airline crew.

Taibah University has a campus (for women) which is outside the boundaries of the haram. But, social life for non-Muslim woman will be very restrictive and difficult.
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EnglishDoYouSpeakIt



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 1:41 am    Post subject: Re: Any single women working in Makkah/Madinah? Reply with quote

veiledsentiments wrote:


That is just my opinion, but even after teaching in the Gulf/Middle East for over 15 years (as a single non-Muslim woman), I wouldn't put myself into a job and living situation like this. There is a very good reason why you can't find many on the net... few would move there if they are making an informed choice.

VS


Over 15 years? Single and in the ME? Sorry sister.
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would you care to translate that? Why are you sorry?

VS
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sicklyman



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

veiledsentiments wrote:
Would you care to translate that? Why are you sorry?

VS

ah... not such a fan of veiled sentiments then Laughing

Wilsonthefarmer wrote:
not showing proof of being Muslim

I'm curious, what documentation proves you are a Muslim?
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trapezius



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your iqama, it mentions your religion.
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