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BobStrauss
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 Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:24 pm Post subject: Well paid jobs for qualified candidates? |
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Do many of these exist in China?
Let's say a candidate has 5-6 years of experience, along with a fresh MA in TESOL and state teaching license.
This candidate wants to avoid international schools and focus on work at the tertiary/adult level.
Are there decently-paid positions available for someone like this in China? |
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Zero
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| As far as I know, very few. Even at that, it depends on what you consider to be "well paid." The jobs you seek are at joint-venture universities. They tend to pay maybe 10,000 to 20,000 RMB/month, and housing is provided. Not bad, but not comparable to an international school. The local, organic EFL scene, where no foreign university partner is involved, does not tend to reward the experience and qualifications you hold. |
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spanglish
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Brian Hugh
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| Education seems to be a bad field to be in these days. I used to be that when the economy was bad it was a good field to be in. People out of work would upgrade. Today it is different politicians around the world don't care, they want everyone begging for work. |
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MisterButtkins
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| I'd prefer all of the highly-qualified people stay out of china. They are depressing the salaries for those of us without teaching certifications. Highly-qualified people are the reason a high-school graduate is now having trouble making more than 5-6k a month teaching here. |
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danasoverseasemail
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If you are supposedly highly qualified and seeking large amounts of money, what is it that prevents you from getting a teaching job in your home location?
Worse off is the issue of the truth as mentioned in the post above mine... wholly unqualified "teachers" working in China to begin with. |
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naturegirl321
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Zero wrote: |
| As far as I know, very few. Even at that, it depends on what you consider to be "well paid." The jobs you seek are at joint-venture universities. They tend to pay maybe 10,000 to 20,000 RMB/month, and housing is provided. Not bad, but not comparable to an international school. The local, organic EFL scene, where no foreign university partner is involved, does not tend to reward the experience and qualifications you hold. |
The workload is pretty different as well. 8, 9, 10 hours a day for international schools, dealing with parents, lots of paperwork. They attract different people.
| danasoverseasemail wrote: |
If you are supposedly highly qualified and seeking large amounts of money, what is it that prevents you from getting a teaching job in your home location?
Worse off is the issue of the truth as mentioned in the post above mine... wholly unqualified "teachers" working in China to begin with. |
Because there are more perks and benefits to working overseas. Look at this for example:
Matching savings fund
Food coupon
December bonus
Spring holiday stipend
Major Medical Insurance
Limited Dental and Vision Insurance
Life, Accidental Death and Disability Insurance
Mexican Social Security
Defined Contribution Retirement Plan
In-house, subsidized language instruction
Professional Development Opportunities
Teaching resources through the CTE
Tuition discounts on legal economic dependents
Use of sports facilities
Housing and airfare subsidy for international hires |
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Miles Smiles
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| MisterButtkins wrote: |
| I'd prefer all of the highly-qualified people stay out of china. They are depressing the salaries for those of us without teaching certifications. Highly-qualified people are the reason a high-school graduate is now having trouble making more than 5-6k a month teaching here. |
Not really. Compared to most of the FTs I've met, I'm highly qualified: MA,MFA, two BA's, fifteen years teaching experience. That doesn't stop someone from strolling into a job that pays only 500 rmb less than what I'm paid even though he got his credentials from a box of breakfast cereal.
It's a matter of supply and demand. |
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sainthood
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| If you are supposedly highly qualified and seeking large amounts of money, what is it that prevents you from getting a teaching job in your home location? |
Because there's not as high a demand for ESL teachers in a native English speaking country?? Just like, well qualified Chinese teachers don't get the same perks here, as they would in a different country....
Besides, living in a different country is considered a perk. |
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Miles Smiles
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| danasoverseasemail wrote: |
If you are supposedly highly qualified and seeking large amounts of money, what is it that prevents you from getting a teaching job in your home location?
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In my hometown in the U.S., the local school board has reduced forces by 300 teachers each year for the past seven years for budgetary and other reasons. Getting a position in a college or university is extremely difficult, and colleges and universities in my city prefer to hire teachers with exotic degrees from European universities and Ivy League universities. This is probably the case in many cities in the U.S..
I'm not in China to make a lot of money. I'd just rather teach in China for a few years before I go to work mowing lawns for a living.
This may be news to you: average unemployment statistics in the U.S. indicates a rate of about 10%. In some areas of the country, it is close to 25%. I am overqualified to work low-wage jobs in the U.S..
That's why I am in the Land of Soy Milk and Honey. |
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ecubyrd94
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| Miles Smiles wrote: |
| danasoverseasemail wrote: |
If you are supposedly highly qualified and seeking large amounts of money, what is it that prevents you from getting a teaching job in your home location?
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In my hometown in the U.S., the local school board has reduced forces by 300 teachers each year for the past seven years for budgetary and other reasons. Getting a position in a college or university is extremely difficult, and colleges and universities in my city prefer to hire teachers with exotic degrees from European universities and Ivy League universities. This is probably the case in many cities in the U.S..
I'm not in China to make a lot of money. I'd just rather teach in China for a few years before I go to work mowing lawns for a living.
This may be news to you: average unemployment statistics in the U.S. indicates a rate of about 10%. In some areas of the country, it is close to 25%. I am overqualified to work low-wage jobs in the U.S..
That's why I am in the Land of Soy Milk and Honey. |
This is spot on, as I found out upon returning there after many years in the Kimchi Republic. I blew through a bunch of savings while not gaining employment. I had to reapply for my teaching certificate in my home state only to be denied as they had changed my subject area while I was away, which required more uni classes. I even tried for entry level management jobs which I was well-qualified for. It took only a few months of that for me to decide to come back to Asia where I have no problem being employed. |
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