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johntpartee
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| Yeah, I'm sure that must be it. |
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LanGuTou
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:37 am Post subject: |
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I don't understand what that means. The Labor Bureau? Do they issue a resident permit?
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No, there are two ways to obtain legal working status in China:
You (or more likely the sponsoring company/school/institution) either go through SAFEA and obtain a FEC.
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Go through the local Labor Supervision Bureau and obtain a Work Permit.
The process is roughly similar. To start either process, you need an active 'Z' visa and usually a medical certificate. But there are a few minor differences related to rights whilst working in China.
Only the PSB can issue RP's and having the FEC/Work Permit will be one of the prerequisite documents. |
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johntpartee
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:28 am Post subject: |
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| Never heard of the "alternative method", but nonetheless I'm still at the mercy of the school as to however they decide to pursue my "appeal"; as I said earlier, I don't think they want to deal with the aggravation of trying to keep a troublemaker on their payroll. They can find another Caucasian face with a pulse to take my place. |
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Zimmer
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:02 am Post subject: |
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| I hope you're looking at other options now, just in case. |
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johntpartee
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:15 am Post subject: |
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| I'm ALWAYS looking at other options. Even when I'm in a "sure-fire guaranteed forever situation", I'm always prepared for any eventuality. |
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shadowrider
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Brian Hugh wrote: |
| not a black list but people reading your computer and knowing everything about you. So when they see you are no harnonizing well you get tailed. You can simply pay the fine. |
glad you are made of money.
legalized theft all it is. I have a colleague whose contract states he following:
If the Teacher terminates the contract before the end the contract, xxx
will cease paying the salary from the date of the termination of the contract. xxx also reserves the right to seek compensation for breach of the contract.
Amount of compensation sought will be equivalent to the teacher�s salary for the remaining term of his/her contract plus the full cost of court proceedings and hiring expenses and 10000 RMB additional fees.
Lets see... Assuming a 10K/ month salary, leaving at mid-semester will cost a teacher a minimum of 70K RMB plus court costs. Sometimes that's not an option. |
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danasoverseasemail
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Then this "colleague" should not have been stupid enough to sign such stipulations. |
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Lobster
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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Well I guess only a fool would sign a contract with a clause like that in it. Probably the contract also states that if the school terminates the teacher without notice they have to pay a 5 rmb penalty.
RED |
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igorG
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:22 pm Post subject: Re: There IS a blacklist!!! |
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| After I left, I was offered a position in China. I got the Z visa, no problem; I got the Health Card, no problem; I got the FEC, no problem; I applied for the resident permit......PROBLEM! |
I have heard that there are a couple ways to obtain a legal status to work in China and aside yours where the FEC is already on the table, there's the second option to apply at a Labor Bureau. Without FEC FTs, who aren't foreign experts, apparently get their legal status to work at such an office. The application process, again apparently, takes about 3-4 weeks. |
Okay, that explains a few things that I've heard. Dave's is a great place to learn things one might not learn elsewhere. |
What that explains is that some have little or nothing to offer. My suggestive post is meant to help, not to mislead readers or troll.
To ascertain the original poster, today, my wife has inquired at a local Labor Bureau. The officer has told her that foreigners may get their legal working permits there.
OP, i think it's worth checking this option out before your Z is in the last week of validity. If i were you, i'd advise my employer of this. |
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choudoufu
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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how is the 'alternative method' going to be of any help in this case?
A. go the safea route and get an FEC
B. go thru the labor bureau for a work permit
either way, OP then needs to get a residence permit. |
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igorG
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| I hate to assume but if the Labor Bureau extends the overseas obtained Z visas OP will have avoided the trouble. |
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johntpartee
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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| OP, i think it's worth checking this option out before your Z is in the last week of validity |
It is my understanding that the Z visa does not have an expiration date per se; there is an "entry before" date. Within 30 days of entering China, the bearer must apply for a resident permit.
Even if this "going through the Labor Bureau" stuff is true, the bottom line is that I don't believe my current employer wants to jump through any hoops to keep a troublemaker here. I don't believe they are going to appeal or attempt any alternative methods to keep me around. They told me they would appeal, but I think they just want me to keep doing my classes until they can get somebody else. |
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igorG
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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Keep believing or not
Good luck |
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johntpartee
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Thank you. Don't touch that dial! I'll be updating this drama with any new developments. |
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Miles Smiles
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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After my own experiences, I wouldn't even consider the SAFEA for any assistance or information. That organization doesn't even know what's in its own *bleep*ing contract. Nobody at that organization could find his backside with his own two hands.
Bad working conditions + bad SAFEA contract + ineffective/ incompetent FAO + reliance upon the SAFEA = Disaster.
Others' mileage may vary, but I got nowhere with the SAFEA. I was out of the country by the time the SAFEA got off its f@rting haunches and responded to numerous phone calls and emails.
Forget the SAFEA. |
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