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JerkyBoy



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:33 pm    Post subject: D-Day Reply with quote

I am (hopefully) about to be deployed in the next 10 days. Riyadh is my destination.

The firm offers either company housing or a housing allowance + travel allowance package. From what I am reading on here about the erratic transportation they lay on, it might be better to make my own way there.

I would like to know:

a) Can I rent somewhere without an iqama and what will that likely be?
b) What will 2750 SAR/ month buy me?
c) The travel allowance is 600 SAR/ month - what do you suggest I do with that?

Cheers.
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sharter



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:44 am    Post subject: erm Reply with quote

What...you want to rent what for less than 3000 SAR?

Your travel allowance is ample for petrol......are you gonna buy a car?

I'd invest it in red Rauch grape juice, sugar and yeast.......... Smile
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cmp45



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:53 am    Post subject: Re: D-Day Reply with quote

JerkyBoy wrote:
I am (hopefully) about to be deployed in the next 10 days. Riyadh is my destination.

The firm offers either company housing or a housing allowance + travel allowance package. From what I am reading on here about the erratic transportation they lay on, it might be better to make my own way there.

I would like to know:

a) Can I rent somewhere without an iqama and what will that likely be?
No igama = no life...even if you were able to find a place to rent, it would be difficult to manage without an igama. It may even be illegal

b) What will 2750 SAR/ month buy me? These days...probably not a whole lot.

c) The travel allowance is 600 SAR/ month - what do you suggest I do with that? Take a taxi or a bus is even cheaper... or maybe what sharter suggested ...as seems you may need to have 'a few'....once the reality of your situation hits you.
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aridion



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:05 pm    Post subject: Re: erm Reply with quote

sharter wrote:


I'd invest it in red Rauch grape juice, sugar and yeast.......... Smile


Would it be possible to bring wine yeast into Saudi? Let's say it has no label on it. Would they spot it at the airport. Just out of interest like...
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JerkyBoy



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There must be hotels or apartments that will rent me a room on a monthly basis?

"No iqama, no life?" How does that work? I didn't think anybody had a life out there? I can't go in and out of the country at will but aside from that, how am I losing out?
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JerkyBoy



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"You will get an idea of what is available on expatriates.com�

Rents vary from area to area and it would be important to be reasonably near your work to cut down on taxi fares and avoid traffic jams. In an average area, I'd say anywhere from 18-25K SR a year, plus allow about 250-450 SR a month for water, electricity, Internet connection, etc.�
The best way to find a place is probably by asking colleagues, check adverts etc. while staying in a furnished apartment for the first month. Should cost about 150SR a day for a furnished place - you might be able to negotiate a slightly better rate when staying for a month or longer (and it would probably have free Internet)."


http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=87469&highlight=rent
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cmp45



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JerkyBoy wrote:
There must be hotels or apartments that will rent me a room on a monthly basis?

"No iqama, no life?" How does that work? I didn't think anybody had a life out there? I can't go in and out of the country at will but aside from that, how am I losing out?


Yep you said it all right there...but if you're cool with it then perhaps you will be okay...also if they are offering you housing allowance I guess it must be okay to rent, but seems to me that landlords would ask for your igama...anyhow...best just wait until you are on the ground and talk with your colleagues as well as Saudis should be able to help at least point you in the right direction. You may decide it easiest to just take the accommodation offered.
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cmp45



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jerkboy...guess your questio was already answered...makes me wonder why you are asking this again then????????
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egyptfan



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not as bad as some people paint it.

When you say 'no iqama' - do you mean at the beginning or for the whole contract? If the latter, then you will not be able to open a bank account, get a driving licence / car, etc. This makes life difficult. A car and the freedom to move about, simple and all as it might seem, makes a huge difference to your quality of life. Even if you are brave enough to drive and plan to rent a car, I'd advise you to get an international licence before you come to the Kingdom. I am not sure if it would be of much use but at least it has an Arabic translation.

Given how horrendous traffic is in Riyadh, proximity to work is a big plus and might be worth considering when looking for accommodation.

You can probably rent a basic, furnished apartment for about 3000SR a month, depending on the location, condition and your ability to bargain. A compound is completely out of the question for the figures mentioned.I am not sure but imagine a passport would be sufficient to rent a furnished apt.
To rent your own apt for a year, you would probably need an iqama, though a letter from your employer / sponsor (also needed) might suffice. This would require a bit more effort and you would have to furnish it yourself, but it would be worthwhile financially, if staying more than a year or two. Existing staff should be able to point you in the right direction.
Good luck.


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johnslat



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear aridion,

"Would they spot it at the airport?"

Probably not - but would it be worth the worry? You can buy regular yeast at Safeway, and, although admittedly not as good, it does the job.

Dear JerkyBoy,

Not having an iqama probably make life more difficult in a number of areas.

You can rent a car, but you can't open a bank account. You also can't rent an apartment in your own name - your employer would have to do it for you. Same with a home internet connection or phone service.
But you can get a mobile and mobile-internet connection with just your passport, and prepaid accounts are normal for both.

So, life will probably involve more hassle - but it's doable.

Regards,
John
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JerkyBoy



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cmp45 wrote:
best just wait until you are on the ground


Yeah! That's what they all say. Laughing

cmp45 wrote:
talk with your colleagues who can point you in the right direction.


I'm sure I will have plenty to deal with when I arrive so I am trying to be proactive now when I have time on my hands.

cmp45 wrote:
You may decide it is easiest to just take the accommodation offered.


I have photos of the apartment of a friend who works for the same firm. It is nice. However, she confirmed that the firm has convinced some people to share. Posters on this board have described the company housing as not fit for pigs. So I guess it may vary.

I am onto the recruiter (copying in the contractor) but he may not give me accurate information.
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JerkyBoy



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cmp45 wrote:
Jerkboy...guess your questio was already answered...makes me wonder why you are asking this again then????????


Why wouldn't I? It makes perfect sense to do so.

"Veracity" ... "cross section" ... "corrobration" ... "pointers" .... "contextualisation" ... etc.
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JerkyBoy



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
regular yeast


Please desist from talking of yeast. I will not be engaged in home-brewing and if I am forced to divulge your aliases under pain of torture, then so be it.

johnslat wrote:
You can rent a car, but you can't open a bank account.


I can't drive a car.

I will wire the cash to my UK account as soon as I receive it. Something like a $30 transaction fee?

johnslat wrote:
You also can't rent an apartment in your own name - your employer would have to do it for you. Same with a home internet connection or phone service.


I will have to rent in my employer's name then - if this is in fact possible. I will find out before I fly out.

The issue is also that the company buses to and from work are late/ don't turn up. You can only take the housing/ transport allowance as one package. I figure it may be less stressful in the long run if I organise things for myself.

johnslat wrote:
But you can get a mobile and mobile-internet connection with just your passport, and prepaid accounts are normal for both.


I have my own handset - can you just put a Saudi PAYG SIM in it?

The internet may be more of an issue.

johnslat wrote:
So, life will probably involve more hassle - but it's doable.


It sounds better than my life in England right now. I suppose this is a good state of mind to be in, in that sense.
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JerkyBoy



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

egyptfan wrote:
When you say 'no iqama' - do you mean at the beginning or for the whole contract?


It's Ed Ex. You tell me.

egyptfan wrote:
To rent your own apt for a year,


Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

egyptfan wrote:
Existing staff should be able to point you in the right direction. Good luck.


Sounds very much like I'm going to need it. Evil or Very Mad
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JerkyBoy



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"OK, over to the doom-mongers ... "
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