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musaafira
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 Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:42 pm Post subject: MA degree online but from a real campus uni? |
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Hi all,
Some universities offer MA degrees (with real campuses) but they offer the online option as well. So the degree once you get it would not be any different from that attained by students on campus. It wouldn't mention anything about being online. Would these be fine for employers? They wouldn't really know unless well... I don't know. |
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ghost
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:25 pm Post subject: Blended degrees |
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The trend these days is for many universities to alternate periods of online study with shorter periods (especially during the summer months) for campus presence and courses. These would fit the requirements, and few employers would have problems with those programs, as they are, mostly, legitimate.
One of those offering such a course is Northeastern University, Boston, Massachusetts which offers a Doctorate in Education, mostly online, but with at least three weeks on campus in Boston every summer.
http://www.cps.neu.edu/degree-programs/graduate/doctoral/doctor-curriculum-leadership-specialization.php
It is a good program, which requires about 20 hours of online study time per week, and around three years part time. Not cheap though at around $459 u.s. dollars per credit, and a requirement of 45 credits to obtain the Doctorate. Many teachers who work full time have done this degree, but it requires a lot of discipline, focus and organization to fulfil the multiple assignments. The American system for the Doctorate in Education is more focused on production and teamwork, compared with pure research degrees in education done in the UK, where you mostly work with a group of tutors who let you get on with it at your own pace.
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| musaafira wrote: |
| So the degree once you get it would not be any different from that attained by students on campus. It wouldn't mention anything about being online. Would these be fine for employers? They wouldn't really know unless well... I don't know. |
Hard to say. If there are no satellite campuses for your university located in your area or country, then it will be obvious the degree was completed online. But be aware that not all Saudi employers have a preference---I believe it's a requirement for teaching at any of the government universities (as a direct hire). However, you really should be asking which Saudi institutes of higher learning do accept online MAs from accredited universities.
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ghost
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:33 pm Post subject: cost |
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Cost is reasonable at around $21,600 u.s. for the Doctorate, not counting the summer course, housing in summer, books and materials. An estimate for the total would then run to around $30,000 total over three years, including the lodging and materials over the three summers. Maximum time for fulfilment of the Doctorate is seven years.
http://www.cps.neu.edu/ci.php/tuition/tuition
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musaafira
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| nomad soul wrote: |
| If there are no satellite campuses for your university located in your area or country, then it will be obvious the degree was completed online. |
But they do have real campuses... (The one/s I'm talking about).
Hopefully it shouldn't matter.
Thanks for all your replies. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| musaafira wrote: |
| nomad soul wrote: |
| If there are no satellite campuses for your university located in your area or country, then it will be obvious the degree was completed online. |
But they do have real campuses... (The one/s I'm talking about). |
We're talking about the same thing. Yes, there are accredited, reputable universities with real campuses that offer the same degrees whether on campus or online with no difference between the two in terms of the program and course requirements.
However, I'm referring to the following scenario: For example, you live in Hotlanta, Georgia, but the brick-n-mortar university from which you got your degree (via online) is in Australia. Or there are several physical satellite campuses for your university, but they and the main campus are located outside of Georgia in neighboring states. Therefore, if your resume/CV indicates you lived in Georgia while completing your degree from a university that has no physical campuses in your state or in the US, then it's most likely to be obvious to the employer that your degree was obtained online. That could be an issue if it catches the eye of an astute employer. It's the way the degree is obtained---the method of delivery---and not so much about the 'real' university it's through.
On the other hand, if there's a physical campus for your uni in your area/state but you still completed your degree online, then you really don't have anything to worry about because there are no indicators as to how your degree was obtained. Unless, of course, it bothers your conscience, then apply only to Saudi employers that don't fuss about online degrees. |
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musaafira
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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I see what you're saying. Thanks for pointing that out! But I don't think it would mention anywhere on my resume that I didn't live where the campus was... because even if let's say my address says New York and my MA was from Chicago, it could well be that I returned to New York after getting my MA from Chicago. Right?
Ah anyway. Thanks for all your replies. |
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ultraman111
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I did my MA online while working at the actual university.....  just took most weekends to get assignments done. If I were to do a PHD I would do that online too(if possible) while working in KSA. Have to pass the weekends somehow.  |
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musaafira
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| I did my MA online while working at the actual university..... just took most weekends to get assignments done. If I were to do a PHD I would do that online too(if possible) while working in KSA. Have to pass the weekends somehow. |
While working at the uni in KSA you mean? They accepted it? |
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ultraman111
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| Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:29 am Post subject: |
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| I did my MA online while working at the actual university..... just took most weekends to get assignments done. If I were to do a PHD I would do that online too(if possible) while working in KSA. Have to pass the weekends somehow. |
While working at the uni in KSA you mean? They accepted it? |
No , Uni in Australia.
But there is no reason you cant do it while working overseas. I did a grad cert in TESOL while working in Japan....from a reputable Australian Uni.....no worries at all. |
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cmp45
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If you do an online degree with a university from USA or UK etc. while working in KSA, then what do you write on your CV?
It would be obvious that the degree was obtained on-line as employment dates would be the same as when you obtained the degree.
It is imperative to show your ME experience, but also that you have the necessary education as well, so... what does one write on their CV?
It has been said that most universities in KSA do not accept on-line degrees, but how would anyone know for sure? One would have to ask each teacher on a KSA campus, if their degree was obtained online or at an actual campus.
I suspect those KSA employers that say they don't accept on-line degrees are using this derisive tactic as a convenient way to shaft certain employees out of a rightful salary.
Anyhow maybe  am just bitter as my on-line Master's degree was rejected by my employer even though it was from a well known campus where many Saudis had actually obtained degrees from as well.... 
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ultraman111
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| cmp45 wrote: |
If you do an online degree with a university from USA or UK etc. while working in KSA, then what do you write on your CV?
It is imperative to show your ME experience, but also that you have the necessary education as well.
It has been said that most universities in KSA do not accept on-line degrees, but how would anyone know for sure? One would have to ask each teacher on a KSA campus, if their degree was online or a campus degree.
I suspect those that say they don't accept on-line degrees are using this derisive tactic as a convenient way to shaft certain employees out of a rightful salary.
Anyhow maybe am just bitter as my on-line Master's degree was rejected by my employer even though it was from a well known campus where many Saudis had actually obtained degrees from as well.... |
Well, you would put education history and employment history in seperate sections of the CV of course and if the question arose you did the post graduate degree while working full time. There is no logical reason to reject it as its the way it is nowadays....Undergrad work is usaully near hometown campus but post grad work is done all over the place. Saudis did uni work at my uni also because they needed all the language and cultural support they could get.
Aramco accepted it, but I was also working at the same uni i was studying at, just wasnt face to face because I couldnt make the lectures and they were boring as hell, better off reading some books. |
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cmp45
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| Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 3:32 am Post subject: |
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| ultraman111 wrote: |
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If you do an online degree with a university from USA or UK etc. while working in KSA, then what do you write on your CV?
It is imperative to show your ME experience, but also that you have the necessary education as well.
It has been said that most universities in KSA do not accept on-line degrees, but how would anyone know for sure? One would have to ask each teacher on a KSA campus, if their degree was online or a campus degree.
I suspect those that say they don't accept on-line degrees are using this derisive tactic as a convenient way to shaft certain employees out of a rightful salary.
Anyhow maybe am just bitter as my on-line Master's degree was rejected by my employer even though it was from a well known campus where many Saudis had actually obtained degrees from as well.... |
Well, you would put education history and employment history in seperate sections of the CV of course and if the question arose you did the post graduate degree while working full time. There is no logical reason to reject it as its the way it is nowadays....Undergrad work is usaully near hometown campus but post grad work is done all over the place. Saudis did uni work at my uni also because they needed all the language and cultural support they could get.
Aramco accepted it, but I was also working at the same uni i was studying at, just wasnt face to face because I couldnt make the lectures and they were boring as hell, better off reading some books. |
Yes, of course one puts education and experience under separate sections...but would think that would make little difference...as I am sure they would catch the overlap of dates anyways...
...and so it goes...most of the world nowadays do accept legit on-line degrees...which is why I was suspicious when they rejected mine... Is it a matter of policy for some KSA institutions or are they just randomly picking and choosing?
How would anyone actually know for sure? |
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musaafira
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| Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:38 am Post subject: |
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Anyhow maybe am just bitter as my on-line Master's degree was rejected by my employer even though it was from a well known campus where many Saudis had actually obtained degrees from as well.... |
Why did they reject it? Meaning how did they find out yours was done online? |
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cmp45
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| Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:49 am Post subject: |
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| As I stated before...I did my masters on-line while I was working in KSA, so obviously the dates of employment on my CV were the same as when I obtained my degree. Despite what people may think, even Saudis are not that dumb to figure out that my degree was done on-line |
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