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JerkyBoy



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 6:35 pm    Post subject: Ed Ex and visas Reply with quote

I'd like to hear from Ed Ex employees, past and present, about their experiences concerning visas/ iqamas.
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fledex



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

During two years with them, I never had anything other than a single entry visit visa. Many of the visas said "work not permitted." As it turned out, this wasn't a bad choice, because I could run from Edex when I had enough of them, and I could come back to Saudi with another employer without having to get a letter of no objection from Edex.

However, Edex has used both the visit and employment visas to hold teachers in Saudi during their vacations. They simply won't get the teacher another visit visa if they leave (in the case of a visit visa). Or, they won't give the teacher permission to leave if they are on an iqama. It's better to work for a company that will get you a valid employment visa and that can be trusted to give you the vacations you want outside the country, and that will also give you a letter of no objection for other employment.
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EnglishDoYouSpeakIt



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 years on visit visa, 1 year on iqama. No real complaints except on a visit visa you can't get a bank account and a few other things.

Months before each break we get e-mails, that include stuff like this

"We have determined that we will allow, with approval, a selection of individuals from the following groups to travel abroad during the break period, March 22-30, 2012:

Those who are on iqama and thus pose no visa issues
Those who are on work visit visas, who arrived before February 1, 2011, and who did not travel in November or January
Those who are in need of, or who otherwise desire, an iqama (see below)..."


They seem to do their best to accommodate travel, while they are not required to do so. According to the contract we are not granted any vacation time save the month at the end of the year, so these weeks off should be viewed as a gift to begin with, without even the mention of being able to leave the country.
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JerkyBoy



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is all valuable info. Nice one.
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JerkyBoy



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EnglishDoYouSpeakIt wrote:
They seem to do their best to accommodate travel, while they are not required to do so. According to the contract we are not granted any vacation time save the month at the end of the year, so these weeks off should be viewed as a gift to begin with, without even the mention of being able to leave the country.


Just to confirm - will they let you leave the country in the twelfth and final month - the paid holiday?

I am supposing you would probably need to be signing back on with them for another 12 months to even receive that paid holiday - is that accurate?
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EnglishDoYouSpeakIt



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know what deal everybody got, but generally there is a free month of pay at the end of your contract. For those teachers who left with the intent to renew we got more time off and a half now, half when we get back deal for our vacation pay.

Everyone can leave at the end of the year, but remember, many teachers who start in, say, February, their year long contract is still barely halfway come summer. There are summer positions and recruiters will put you in every hole that they can fill.
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JerkyBoy



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EnglishDoYouSpeakIt wrote:
Everyone can leave at the end of the year, but remember, many teachers who start in, say, February, their year long contract is still barely halfway come summer. There are summer positions and recruiters will put you in every hole that they can fill.


I don't understand. Can you be more explicit?
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EnglishDoYouSpeakIt



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JerkyBoy wrote:
EnglishDoYouSpeakIt wrote:
Everyone can leave at the end of the year, but remember, many teachers who start in, say, February, their year long contract is still barely halfway come summer. There are summer positions and recruiters will put you in every hole that they can fill.


I don't understand. Can you be more explicit?


If your contract is for a year and it starts in March 2012, that means it ends in March 2013, with a month off somewhere in there. It might be during the summer, ti might not be. Sounds like you're looking to bank a couple months and leave, right? Do you plan to work over the summer or do you want a vacation?
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fledex



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know of any teacher who worked for Edex that was allowed to leave the country fo the 12th month and still get their full vacation pay, unless they were returning to work for Edex again. In fact, I know most teachers my first year did not receive their full vacation pay. I think only two did, and they had stayed in the country during that month, but didn't work during the month. If they left, they wouldn't have received all of it.
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JerkyBoy



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EnglishDoYouSpeakIt wrote:
If your contract is for a year and it starts in March 2012, that means it ends in March 2013, with a month off somewhere in there. It might be during the summer, ti might not be.


According to the recruiter, it won't be in the summer. He says it will be the 12th month, which will be March 2012 as far as I am concerned.

EnglishDoYouSpeakIt wrote:
Sounds like you're looking to bank a couple months and leave, right? Do you plan to work over the summer or do you want a vacation?


I'm intending to be in KSA for the long haul. However, I am busy making contingency plans, such as applying to UK universities for summer work, in case it does indeed go t*ts up. When all is said and done, I could do a lot worse than increasing my bank balance by $10,000 or so.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fledex wrote:
I don't know of any teacher who worked for Edex that was allowed to leave the country for the 12th month and still get their full vacation pay, unless they were returning to work for Edex again.


So long as you are still employed on a work visit visa that's not an issue as you bugger off any time you see fit. It would become an issue if you had to sign up for the iqama to get your contractual holiday entitlement - in this instance, if you took the holiday, then on your return you'd be trapped in the country. I think that follows?

fledex wrote:
In fact, I know most teachers in my first year did not receive their full vacation pay. I think only two did, and they had stayed in the country during that month, but didn't work during the month. If they had left, they wouldn't have received all of it.


If they had left the country or left the job? I think you are saying that unless there is an incentive for Ed Ex to honour their contract, they will stiff you. Is that what you are saying?

I don't understand how people can be so mean and still expect their firm to be a success. Teaching staff with low morale never ever perform. It's a job where you invest a lot of yourself.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JerkyBoy wrote:
I don't understand how people can be so mean and still expect their firm to be a success. Teaching staff with low morale never ever perform. It's a job where you invest a lot of yourself.

It's business as usual for recruiting companies like EdEx, SBC, ICEAT, Al-Khaleej, and the like. They continue to operate "successfully" because for every teacher that leaves, there's a new one---like yourself---ready and willing to quickly come on board with business visit visa in hand. Some even sign on despite being fully aware the recruiter is dodgy, cheap, and inconsistent. It's like a revolving door; teachers leave as new ones arrive, while others decide to stay on for various reasons.

Also, the generous commission some of these recruiters receive for every warm body they recruit is certainly a sweet incentive that affirms their financial "success." Overall, it's all good from the recruiting company's perspective. However, such "success" tends to impact the teachers and ultimately, the students, and not in a good way.
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JerkyBoy



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nomad soul wrote:
However, such "success" tends to impact the teachers and ultimately, the students, and not in a good way.


So it's about laziness/ expedience then? And a differing agenda - they're only interested in dough, whereas the expectation with education is something over and above this and not limited to merely making "financial sense".

It's still not nice to have a rotten reputation, though.
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fledex



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wasta is more important than reputation. Otherwise, Edex would have folded after their first year in the English teaching business.
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cmp45



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nomad soul wrote:
JerkyBoy wrote:
I don't understand how people can be so mean and still expect their firm to be a success. Teaching staff with low morale never ever perform. It's a job where you invest a lot of yourself.

It's business as usual for recruiting companies like EdEx, SBC, ICEAT, Al-Khaleej, and the like. They continue to operate "successfully" because for every teacher that leaves, there's a new one---like yourself---ready and willing to quickly come on board with business visit visa in hand. Some even sign on despite being fully aware the recruiter is dodgy, cheap, and inconsistent. It's like a revolving door; teachers leave as new ones arrive, while others decide to stay on for various reasons.
Also, the generous commission some of these recruiters receive for every warm body they recruit is certainly a sweet incentive that affirms their financial "success." Overall, it's all good from the recruiting company's perspective. However, such "success" tends to impact the teachers and ultimately, the students, and not in a good way.


Seems your susccinct message has flown right over their heads and into outer space.... Rolling Eyes
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