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Gus3



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:57 am    Post subject: WWOOF Reply with quote

I'm an American college graduate currently trying to find a job in Japan. I recently found out about WWOOF (Worldwide Opportunities on Organic Farms). From what I understand its basically volunteer work at places like organic farms around the world, including Japan. There's no pay, but free room and board for a few hours of work daily seems to be the norm.

There were a couple of other threads on this, but they didn't have much information. Has anyone here ever tried WWOOF-ing in Japan? I'd like to know your thoughts on the experience. Also, do the hosts sometimes sponsor visas? I want to know if I'll be able to do this for more than the three months that the landing permit permits.

I'm thinking about using this to get my foot in the door. Work for a host and use my time off to try to find a more permanent paying job. Anyone think this sounds like a viable option?
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pnksweater



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Location: Tokyo, Japan

PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The membership isn�t that expensive. You might consider buying a membership so you can look over the listings. Seeing what�s actually offered and what�s expected work hours wise might help you better form your plans.

I don�t know of any WWOOF listings that sponsor visas. The nature of the program is volunteer work in trade for food and lodging. I do recall one or two listings with restaurant/ekaiwa type jobs offering a small living stipend. Still, you�d be on either a tourist visa, or at best a working holiday visa.

Another issue you�ll probably have to deal with is location. Job searching often means being around or able to get to places with jobs. Rural Japan is not brimming with English teaching positions. Nor is it easy or cheap to get out of town. I�m not saying it couldn�t be done, just be sure to look at a map and consult hyperdia.com before making any plans. I�m not sure if you�d save any money over simply crashing at a gaijin house in an urban area and pounding the pavement.

Read up on work visas before and make sure you bring the necessary paperwork and a suit.
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Rooster_2006



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:28 pm    Post subject: Re: WWOOF Reply with quote

Gus3 wrote:
I'm an American college graduate currently trying to find a job in Japan. I recently found out about WWOOF (Worldwide Opportunities on Organic Farms). From what I understand its basically volunteer work at places like organic farms around the world, including Japan. There's no pay, but free room and board for a few hours of work daily seems to be the norm.

There were a couple of other threads on this, but they didn't have much information. Has anyone here ever tried WWOOF-ing in Japan? I'd like to know your thoughts on the experience. Also, do the hosts sometimes sponsor visas? I want to know if I'll be able to do this for more than the three months that the landing permit permits.

I'm thinking about using this to get my foot in the door. Work for a host and use my time off to try to find a more permanent paying job. Anyone think this sounds like a viable option?

Hello Gus3,

First of all, I have not WWOOFed, but I am aware of it and have done a great deal of research.

Before I came to Japan, I strongly considered doing WWOOF while looking for a job, but decided against it. I will cite the reasons here:

1. According to the WWOOF Japan Web site, WWOOFers are expected to volunteer ~36 hours per week of their time. And this is, of course, mostly during daytime hours (in other words, it'll interfere with your ability to attend job interviews).

2. WWOOF farms are mostly way out in the countryside. This will likely make the train rides both far more time-consuming and far more expensive.

3. Hosts do NOT sponsor visas (well, Chinese people can get agricultural visas to work in Japan on a farm for a year or so, but these aren't available to non-Asians). Unless you can arrange your own visa (Working Holiday [not available to Americans], Volunteer [UK nationals only], spousal, student, etc.), you cannot legally WWOOF in Japan past the validity of your tourist visa/landing permit.

So...I ended up just sucking it up and renting a room at the cheapest gaijin house in Osaka and job hunting that way. It cost an extra 60,000 yen or so to do it that way, but it was well worth it -- I found a decent job in 12 days.
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rxk22



Joined: 19 May 2010
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:08 am    Post subject: Re: WWOOF Reply with quote

Rooster_2006 wrote:
Gus3 wrote:
I'm an American college graduate currently trying to find a job in Japan. I recently found out about WWOOF (Worldwide Opportunities on Organic Farms). From what I understand its basically volunteer work at places like organic farms around the world, including Japan. There's no pay, but free room and board for a few hours of work daily seems to be the norm.

There were a couple of other threads on this, but they didn't have much information. Has anyone here ever tried WWOOF-ing in Japan? I'd like to know your thoughts on the experience. Also, do the hosts sometimes sponsor visas? I want to know if I'll be able to do this for more than the three months that the landing permit permits.

I'm thinking about using this to get my foot in the door. Work for a host and use my time off to try to find a more permanent paying job. Anyone think this sounds like a viable option?

Hello Gus3,

First of all, I have not WWOOFed, but I am aware of it and have done a great deal of research.

Before I came to Japan, I strongly considered doing WWOOF while looking for a job, but decided against it. I will cite the reasons here:

1. According to the WWOOF Japan Web site, WWOOFers are expected to volunteer ~36 hours per week of their time. And this is, of course, mostly during daytime hours (in other words, it'll interfere with your ability to attend job interviews).

2. WWOOF farms are mostly way out in the countryside. This will likely make the train rides both far more time-consuming and far more expensive.

3. Hosts do NOT sponsor visas (well, Chinese people can get agricultural visas to work in Japan on a farm for a year or so, but these aren't available to non-Asians). Unless you can arrange your own visa (Working Holiday [not available to Americans], Volunteer [UK nationals only], spousal, student, etc.), you cannot legally WWOOF in Japan past the validity of your tourist visa/landing permit.

So...I ended up just sucking it up and renting a room at the cheapest gaijin house in Osaka and job hunting that way. It cost an extra 60,000 yen or so to do it that way, but it was well worth it -- I found a decent job in 12 days.


I met a guy who was doing a program like this. He lived in a pitiful little shack near the field. Guy had no money or anything it seemed. Honestly he was like an indentured servant. Was paid room and board really. May not be the same program though. Never did ask the name of it.
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Rooster_2006



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, to be honest, 36 hours a week seems like a bit too much for just room and board. Personally, I'd say 20 hours a week for room and board would a fairer exchange.

I mean, seriously, do the math:
36 hours a week * 4.3 weeks in a month * Japanese minimum wage (~750 yen an hour) = 116,100 yen that they save by using a volunteer instead of a paid worker

So...either that's some really nice room and board, or you're getting gypped if you're doing 36 hours a week for a WWOOF host. Seriously.

The WWOOF Japan Web site states that it's usually about 36 hours a week, but I can't help but wonder whether individual hosts actually require their WWOOFers to work that much. My guess is that most hosts are more reasonable.
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rich45



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did WWOOFing in New Zealand when I was a backpacker. Two hours a day over there!

But honestly, 36 hours is ridiculous!
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rxk22



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rooster_2006 wrote:
Yeah, to be honest, 36 hours a week seems like a bit too much for just room and board. Personally, I'd say 20 hours a week for room and board would a fairer exchange.

I mean, seriously, do the math:
36 hours a week * 4.3 weeks in a month * Japanese minimum wage (~750 yen an hour) = 116,100 yen that they save by using a volunteer instead of a paid worker

So...either that's some really nice room and board, or you're getting gypped if you're doing 36 hours a week for a WWOOF host. Seriously.

The WWOOF Japan Web site states that it's usually about 36 hours a week, but I can't help but wonder whether individual hosts actually require their WWOOFers to work that much. My guess is that most hosts are more reasonable.


The guy I met, did work basically FT. They even had him build some sort of net structure thing, before a typhoon came. So he had to build it again. But that is one guy outa how many?
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Ruuchan



Joined: 16 Aug 2009
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:00 pm    Post subject: WWOOFing in Japan Reply with quote

I did volunteer work on farms through WWOOF during my years living and working in Japan, and I found it to be an incredible experience! I met interesting people from all over the world (some of whom I'm still in contact with many years later), learned a lot about organic farming practices, took part in local festivals and social events, and got ample opportunities to practice my Japanese. I loved it and would recommend the experience to anyone who loves the outdoors and wants to see a side of Japanese life outside of the eikaiwa bubble that so many of us end up in!

However, I wouldn't recommend it as a stepping stone to getting a job, since the locations are usually fairly remote and this would make it very challenging to find an English teaching position (especially if you want to work in the city!)

For me, it was an experience that enriched my life tremendously once I had already attained employment and was settled in to life in Japan. I wish you the best of luck whatever you decide to do!
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Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really don't see any sense in complaining about having a full-time schedule on WWOOF. Here are my reasons.

1. You know going in how many hours you will work, right? Take it or don't apply, is my feeling.

2. I may be wrong, but I think most WWOOF work is done in rural areas, perhaps even mostly on farms. What else would one imagine that could be done out in the sticks as a volunteer that would take a short period of time?

3. Using 116,000 yen/month as a savings to the WWOOF host is not a clear way of putting it. Yeah, he is saving that in wages, but how about room and board? He is the one forking that out. If you take a low average of 50,000 yen/month for rent, add in utilities (low end 7,000 yen), and then slap on a food budget of 30,000-40,000 (maybe even more), you're talking about almost 80,000 in some cases. So, 116,000-80,000 is still saving the farmer/host 36,000, but there are also incidental costs of transportation, laundry, etc. As far as I can figure it, the host breaks even roughly. And, even if he doesn't, the whole idea is that he has to contend with volunteers that probably don't speak the best Japanese, so it's no picnic for him, either.

4. Think of people who volunteer to help after disaster situations like hurricanes or tsunamis. I'm sure they don't complain about the amount of time they spend helping others for free, do they?
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