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[whitehouse]

It is not necessary to wish to convert anyone to ones point of view. Blogging never does this anyway and it is rare that opinions are changed by blogging. I am observing that if Chinese parents took note of rankings then they are less likely to waste money on a poor education for their children.
The previous comment to mine stated "What I do object to is the unreasonable prices that universities in the UK and the US charge ".
That is an observation . Do you think his target audience is the people who set the prices in the UK or US? Of course not. Most blogs are concerned with making observations and only idiots expect to change the world.

[slapntickle]

[Miles Smiles]

That story is about immigrations control, not about education.

"...The National Audit Office estimates that around one in six of student visas granted went to workers whose intention was to take jobs..."



Nobody can verify what someone's true intent might be until the person in question does what he says he intends to do or does something different.

In the case of Dickinson University, the Powerz That Bee found the problem. If one knows about such problems at other universities, then he has a responsibility to report that university.

Got any more examples?

[slapntickle]

[Miles Smiles]

"...The report says recruiters in China passed themselves off as Dickinson State employees, altering genuine school business cards to print their own with the title, "DSU China Center."

Students were promised they could earn their Dickinson State degree before finishing classes at their home university and the freedom to change their majors or classes as they pleased, which the audit says violated the terms of the dual-degree program...."


Wow. There's a China connection. Gosh, I'm so surprised.

So far we've been presented with one case in the U.S. that involves Chinese students, and another in the U.K. that involves illegal aliens, not students. Any other info that resembles empirical data?

FWIW, the Huffington Post is a blog that deals almost entirely in overblown editorial commentary.

[whitehouse]

No,we have had 3 examples of very poor service to Chinese students. In the example I gave of teaching for a UK university in China I did something about it and sent an email to the University Pro Vice Chancellor and to her credit she did something about it. The UK lecturer who I reported, amongst other things, to the VC for setting a 21 question MCQ which was supposed to be 20 questions, with 2 questions entered twice in this test is ,I see, no longer with the University.
I am blogging here, which I do rarely because I no longer work in China .
It is not in the interests of those in China who are working in the system to write about such matters. Many of the students who are doing foundation courses for big groupa end up at low ranking UK universities which otherwise would be short of students.There are 100s of Chinese students at low ranking British universities who will gain little from the expense and experience.

[slapntickle]

[Miles Smiles]

It's the same school. One school doesn't represent an endemic problem.

[igorG]

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[igorG]

[igorG]

[Miles Smiles]

How can one say that charging a foreign student more for a western education is unjust? American students pay more to attend a school that's in a state state other than the one in which they live. They pay even more if they attend a foreign school. It's that way for every foreign student everywhere.

Injustice would be to force a foreign student to attend a particular school in the U.S. when he doesn't want to come to the U.S. at all. Imposing higher tuition for foreign students isn't unjust. It is a very common practice. I would have loved to have attended Harvard, Stanford, or Columbia for my BA studies. My SAT scores would have gotten me in, but my parents couldn't afford the tuition. Is that injustice too?

Nobody forces Chinese students to come the the U.S.. Not every Chinese student who applies to American Universities MAY be admitted. Math, Engineering, and the Science departments at top tier universities usually have a quota for Chinese students that cannot be surpassed.

[igorG]

Alright. Let's polarize.

Yes, it is a blatant discrimination. A foreigner pays more and what's more s/he must achieve a higher score on SAT. Oh, what's more is that s/he doesn't have to really be a "foreigner" but someone with a different color of skin. Come on! Wake up!

But I agree that nobody makes foreigners apply for higher education abroad. The adverts or foundation courses offered globally only suggest that there is an interest.

In any case, there ought to be justice and selective process rather than pointing fingers to directions where one comes from. If there is only a handful suitable, then go with it. Seeking job opportunities, for example in the US, there are some illegal questions to aks at interviews. It's time to follow up in higher education as well.