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Teacher in Rome
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Sasha, I didn't really get your point, but just to add, Italians pronounce V as "voo". So W is pronounced (doppia voo) (or double v). On the other hand, there's very little "w" in Italian words. I'm not 100% on this, but I'd say most of the time you see a "w" it's a foreign word, like "water" (for loo, and pronounced "vater") and so on.
Not sure if that contributes to the discussion or not... |
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Sashadroogie
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
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Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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The point is that the Latin letter 'V' was pronounced as an /u:/ sound. So a 'W' is perfectly logical, a double 'V', i.e. a double /U:/ giving us the form 'W' and the name double-u.
How can Italian students not know this? It must be SO annoying! |
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artemisia
Joined: 04 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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Some confusion here (on your part, I think). Not according automatic respect is not (to my mind, anyway) the same as disrespect. Of course, I wouldn't stick out my tongue at the judge and chant, "Nyuck, Nyuck, Nyuck, Judgie pudgie." I'd be civil (especially if it was a civil suit  ), but I've seen too many corrupt, crummy judges (and cops) to automatically respect any jamoke wearing a black robe or a badge. |
Jamoke?? Is that 'American English'? |
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johnslat
Joined: 21 Jan 2003
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Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Dear artemisia,
Etymology
Appearing at the end of the 19th century, as a blend of java and mocha. By the 1920's, it became slang for someone who lacked mental abilities beyond that of a cup of coffee, probably influenced by moke.
Pronunciation
IPA: /ʤəˈməʊk/
Noun
jamoke (countable and uncountable; plural jamokes)
(uncountable, slang) coffee [quotations ▼]
(countable, slang) stupid person, fool [quotations ▼]
Yup, but it may be familiar only to those who are aficionados of the hard-boiled detective genre (e.g. Raymond Chandler, Dashiell Hammett, etc.)
Regards,
John |
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artemisia
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Most interesting, thanks. Jamoke is a word that sounds like it's my cup of char! |
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bulgogiboy
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Dear bulgogiboy,
"Any perception that you are disrespecting the judge, or the court, through your behaviour or speech, can see you in the hoosegow."
Some confusion here (on your part, I think). Not according automatic respect is not (to my mind, anyway) the same as disrespect. Of course, I wouldn't stick out my tongue at the judge and chant, "Nyuck, Nyuck, Nyuck, Judgie pudgie." I'd be civil (especially if it was a civil suit ), but I've seen too many corrupt, crummy judges (and cops) to automatically respect any jamoke wearing a black robe or a badge.
Recently, a cop pulled out right in front of me on a frontage road here. I passed him and he hit me with the siren. I pulled over, and when he came up to the passenger door, and I'd given him my license and registration, I asked him, "Would you mind telling me just why you pulled out right in front of me back there?" He handed me back my documents and mumbled, "Didn't see ya," went back to his patrol car and took off.
Regards,
John |
This is all I'm asking from the students. No tongue-sticky-outing and no chanting. Civility costs nothing. Some people, for example the vast majority of QP 'trainees', just seem incapable of that.
Well done for standing up for yourself with the man. |
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Sashadroogie
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
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Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:53 am Post subject: |
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| Cheating in tests. And not even having the manners to do so craftily... grrr! |
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smithrn1983
Joined: 23 Jul 2010
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Location: Moscow
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Sashadroogie wrote: |
| Cheating in tests. And not even having the manners to do so craftily... grrr! |
Goes along with students who think you're supposed to tolerate them openly cheating. |
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sharter
Joined: 25 Jun 2008
Posts: 878
Location: All over the place
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:44 pm Post subject: Oh yeah, those I really disrespect are..... |
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| Teachers who are meant to be part of a team and talk teamwork but who secretly have sneaky meetings with the boss to avoid difficult remedial classes and absolute beginners. Also, teachers who quite happily watch the rest of the team bailing water while they throw their bucket away and sit there doing relatively sweet fa. Can't stand 'em. They should be paid less or fired. |
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bulgogiboy
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| Sashadroogie wrote: |
| Cheating in tests. And not even havi | | | |
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