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EFLeducator
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Location: NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS
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| Dragonlady wrote: |
| sadly, for the 43% plus of Mexican's living in poverty, viable choices in the struggle just to achieve a comfortable, healthy living remain elusive. |
The above statement may help explain why TEFLing salaries in Mexico (especially Mexico City) are so low. |
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Tretyakovskii
Joined: 14 Aug 2009
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Location: Cancun, Mexico
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| Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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OK, so the top of the range is none too high, and the bottom is low, so what? People still want to do what we do; that is, go abroad, work as English teachers, and make a life of it.
I've been doing it for twenty years. I make more than the minimum, and less than the maximum, but I have paid holidays, meaningful work, and a life both my wife and I enjoy together.
Others can, and have, achieved the same.
I think there are those for whom earning the most they possibly can is not their first priority in life. |
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BadBeagleBad
Joined: 23 Aug 2010
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Location: 24.18105,-103.25185
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:11 am Post subject: |
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| Tretyakovskii wrote: |
OK, so the top of the range is none too high, and the bottom is low, so what? People still want to do what we do; that is, go abroad, work as English teachers, and make a life of it.
I've been doing it for twenty years. I make more than the minimum, and less than the maximum, but I have paid holidays, meaningful work, and a life both my wife and I enjoy together.
Others can, and have, achieved the same.
I think there are those for whom earning the most they possibly can is not their first priority in life. |
Yes, exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself. And like any field, there will be some who just can't make it, some who do well, and some who are spectalular. No different from anywhere else, or any other job. |
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SpaceTone
Joined: 11 Jul 2010
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OP: I�ll try to offer you some clarification regarding IH, DF.
It�s a pretty good place to start off - they pay their fulltime teachers 10,000 for around 25hrs per week. It does depend a bit on luck as to whether they�ll have any open fulltime positions when you apply.
But they seem to be always taking on parttime teachers, for 150 per hour. I, along with other part time IHers, would work there around 15-17 hrs and top that up with some private classes, in my case around 6hrs, and make around 15,000. That figure is for a rare month with few/no cancellations though.
With your business background and a bit of networking or advertising i�m sure you�d pick up some business English privates pretty quickly too, if that is something you�d be interested in.
Regarding certification, although the vast majority of IH teachers do have CELTA (and some DELTA etc) I know of at least one IH teacher with a 4 week non-CELTA TEFL. So it is possible.
There are also loads of smaller institutions to get by-the-hour business classes, for usually 120-180 pesos. They usually take any TEFL certificate, and your background may help you get into the higher bracket, although they usually put the CELTA etc above other things like actually understanding the business vocabulary etc of the class...
Hope that helps! |
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boomerexpat
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
Posts: 135
Location: Mexico
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:43 am Post subject: |
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| SpaceTone wrote: |
OP: I�ll try to offer you some clarification regarding IH, DF.
at least one IH teacher with a 4 week non-CELTA TEFL. So it is possible.
There are also loads of smaller institutions to get by-the-hour business classes, for usually 120-180 pesos...they usually put the CELTA etc above other things like actually understanding the business vocabulary etc of the class...
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It helps a lot...thanks!
Sounds like the combo of CELTA and age will exclude me from IH then. Every job hunt is harder with age and if they rarely let in a non-CELTA add age into the equation and the sum = low odds. Part of developing a game plan is knowing what to exclude so you don't waste your time. I'll just send a rez off online and see what happens since that only takes a few moments.
If anyone has any reqs of which of those loads of smaller agencies to contact, please pass them along.
This may be a sign that I'm too picky and unrealistic but when I see what I view as dumb decision making I always get nervous about working there.
I don't want to use an org's love of me as the supreme litmus test but if someone would rather have a backpacker or ex-employee of Dairy Queen with a CELTA than someone with years of exp successfully training business people and managing customer engagements then I have a hard time getting too enthused about working for them. I just have found over the years that people who know what they are doing, know what to look for. Unfortunately, most people in any profession don't know what they are doing. 80/20 or 90/10 rule.
Opening one of those over-priced DF gyms sounds better and better. Or maybe in my next life, I'll choose a more practical bucket list career of selling overpriced condos to gullible expats instead of teaching. |
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Tretyakovskii
Joined: 14 Aug 2009
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Location: Cancun, Mexico
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"Exclude"'s a strong word
I keep hearing you dwelling on your age and I think that's a mistake
You can do nothing about it and it's probably not as big a deal as you're making it out to be
I got my highest paying job as a teacher- hourly contract- here in Mexico at age at 63
I was hired full time by a state university in Mexico the same year
None of the applicants for either position was anywhere near as old as I was |
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boomerexpat
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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Location: Mexico
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:02 am Post subject: |
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| Tretyakovskii wrote: |
"Exclude"'s a strong word
I keep hearing you dwelling on your age and I think that's a mistake
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Maybe you are right. I think I'm just concerned about it because it has proven to be such a big deal in Asia. So, instead of trying to be a round older peg in a square younger hole world over here I should just head elsewhere.
When I first arrived over in China I helped the CEO of a small company get a meeting with the CEO of Asia for a multi-billion dollar services company. He had been trying to do that so long that when I pulled it off in 10 minutes he offered me a job on the spot, a job I didn't really want but it is nice to be asked to dance.
His Chinese female young partner flipped. She said it would be an embarrassment to the company having me associated with it due to my age. He tried to explain to her that my age was an asset because of the ages of the prospective customers they targeted. She said that wasn't true that at 58 I was too old for the job. I just wrote that off as a quirk but I as wrong.
The vast majority of job ads over here list age and that age isn't kind to me. Recruiters say they just can't place people over 40 in high demand places. China makes it harder to get a visa after 60 and some provinces stop it after 55.
What it all comes down to is I need to head to grayer friendly pastures. I think I'm sold at this point on Mexico being one and I hope I am right. When I went to Asia people told me my vast exp would more than make up for my age. Not so but I think it might in L. America. |
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