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Freddie_Unbelievable



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take the blue pill before you take the pink one!
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Marcoregano



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm going to ignore that rude interruption to this thread and (hopefully) take it back to where it was.

Fred wrote: "Yes, good money is at the International schools. However, expect to work like you have never worked before...."

Freddie, I know you want to believe you have the best job under the sun but it ain't true. Work like you've never worked before? My wife and some others I know at top-band NET schools simply COULD NOT work any harder. Sometimes their workload is frankly ridiculous. However, I do know others who twiddle their fingers on the Internet half the day. You one of those Fred?

At the International schools, from what I can gather, the workload is usually more balanced, though yes you have to work for your money. But I actually know people at the French Intnl and can go into detail.....a clear 2 month summer hol and two weeks at least at Easter and Xmas, a one week mid-semester holiday 3 times a year and the school closes EVERY Wednesday afternoon. On top of that class sizes are tiny compared to NET, the pay is higher and they have less contact hours. Plus - as at any Intnl school - you're not as isolated as you're working with other gweilos. That takes some beating.

Still, as I said in my last post, the golden age of EFL is over.
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foster



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, some NEt jobs are cushy..others are hell in HK. My friend is at a Band One EMI school and she does infinitely more work than me. DoI wish I had her job? NOPE! I like my school and I like my kids. I like that it is more relaxed here than at her school.

I have considered a switch to an International school, but not yet. I have another year with NET and will stay at my school as long as they will have me. Very Happy
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AKPO



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2004 1:51 am    Post subject: NET jobs Reply with quote

I agree completely with the replies posted here. I have a BA in Modern Languages, PGCE, RSA Cert, RSA Dip, MA App Lings, all from the UK, 18 years experience teaching secondary school English in the UK, Middle East and South East Asia. I applied last year for the NET scheme, passed the interview, then nothing. No job offers, not even a call from a school. Maybe they just didn't want me, fair enough, but it is pretty annoying therefore to read someone with almost no qualifications relevant to the job, expecting to be able to just walk in and get the "big bucks". It is an attitude like that which tends to perpetuate the low status low pay of many EFL jobs.
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Scott in HK



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2004 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AKPO

if you were still interested...there were two ads in the paper today...with schools doing the hiring directly and one of them specifically asked for a teacher with a tesol dip and teaching qualification...which is not a very common combination...

as well the international schools have started advertising...
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AKPO



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 12:11 pm    Post subject: NET jobs Reply with quote

to Scott in HK. Thanks for pointing me in the direction of the SCMP jobs website. In my naivety, and not being in HK, I didn't know that the NET jobs were also advertised in the newspaper. I thought the only way was through the EMB then you sit and wait for a school to contact you, which is what I did last year, then nothing happened. I have seen five schools specifically advertising for NET teachers there. If anyone has info on these schools I'd be grateful. They are 1. St Bonaventure College and High School, 2. St Maud's School, which is affiliated to the HK and Macau Lutheran Church Primary School, 3. Fanling Kau Yan College, 4. CNEC Lee I-Yao Memorial Secondary School and 5. S.K.H. Lam Kau Mow Secondary School. Thanks in anticipation.
Also, I know someone who worked with Joanne Light Miller in Brunei. According to this person, it seems she was completely bonkers there as well. I, of course, couldn't possibly comment.
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Ludwig



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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2004 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Ger', you ask as to whether it makes sense that someone with a B.Sc., a MA Media, a M. Ed. (Management), and a (four week) TEFL Diploma - (viz., you) � does not meet the prerequisites for the EMB NET scheme, whilst someone with a B. Ed. and a PGCE does indeed satisfy the basic eligibility criteria.

In a thinly-disguised answer to your own question (which, in fact, makes it little more than the sort of 'question' typically posed by a whining child), you hint that it can not possibly 'make sense' as the former of the two compared above - that is, 'Ger' � "still gets to teach HK kids". Indeed, you reiterate (with some not inconsiderable pride) in a later post that "The fact is that Ger is teaching Hong Kong children outside of the NET scheme without an English Language degree & PGCE or a B.Ed."

In short, yes, it does indeed "make sense". What does not make sense, however, is your very posing of the 'question'.

Quite obviously, although the former of the two compared above may well indeed 'get to teach kids in HK', it is clearly not under the auspices of the EMB in state schools, and as such is quite obviously something for which they hold no responsibility (and nor should they).

Working by your (somewhat perverse and puerile) 'logic' we may well ask as to whether it "makes sense" that a person who works in, say, McDonald's frying chips, does not enjoy automatic eligibility for, say, a chef's post in the kitchen of a state-operated catering concern, despite the fact that the former 'still gets to feed HK people'.

It is as if you seem to believe that everything must be reduced to the lowest common denominator. A most strange philosophy for someone to hold, indeed (especially in HK).
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Champion...the wonderdog



Joined: 26 Mar 2004
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2004 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Freddie_Unbelievable wrote:
Mark-O,

I make $51,000 per month (including my bonus) That is about $6,500 US per month.

this is my 5th year teaching.


Freddie,

Is this your 5th year teaching in HK or 5th year of experience?
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