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therock
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Just to clear things up, I am an experienced esl teacher but it is not me instigating this thing. My friend who is Chinese and an adjunct professor at a Chinese university is the one trying to get this off the ground at his university. He would like me to be a part of it.
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Call me cynical, but:
In other words your "friend" needs a foreign teacher for this to work, he'll do absolutely nothing while you do all the work and at the end of the month he'll pay you 6000 (and tell you that is 4 times the average salary per month in China) while earning 40,000 for himself.  |
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Non Sequitur
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Thanks OP for the update.
Why not do your professor friend a favour and contact the BC?
They (it) may have no interest in teaching centres and only be interested in the test side.
My comment about being near an IELTS test centre still holds.
There have been some interesting posts on IELTS on Dave's and IF the search facility is working, a quick look through those would be helpful.
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demitrescou
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Call me cynical, but:
In other words your "friend" needs a foreign teacher for this to work, he'll do absolutely nothing while you do all the work and at the end of the month he'll pay you 6000 (and tell you that is 4 times the average salary per month in China) while earning 40,000 for himself. |
Don't be silly. It will be a joint venture between us. He obviously won't be teaching as much due to his responsibilities at the uni but he obviously still has to get paid for making the whole thing happen. As has been made clear by others on here, there is no way a foreigner is going to waltz in and be able to set something like this up.
Besides, you don't really need to concern yourself about who will get paid what, I came on here seeking advice as to the feasibility of such a venture. Thanks for your useless input though. |
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Opiate
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Look, if your friend simply wants to rent out some space at the Uni and hold classes, that won't be a problem if the Uni agrees. The authorities will have a different opinion. On the other hand, if your friend is trying to make an 'official' school I highly doubt anything will come of this anyway.
Keep in mind, if he does simply rent space and hang a shingle, there will likely be many laws unobserved as far as foreign teachers and payment. May or may not be a problem, nobody can tell you for sure. As far as I know, a school must exist as an entity for no less than a year before they can be considered for approval to hire foreign teachers. There are of course ways around that but not ways that are legal in the strictest sense.
While I know it's easy to just say that these are his problems and not yours, they may have a negative impact on you if you work there later.
But to answer your original question more directly....It is not a problem to have a private school located on University grounds. As I said before, it is done by a University and training center near me. |
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therock
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 10:51 am Post subject: |
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Call me cynical, but:
In other words your "friend" needs a foreign teacher for this to work, he'll do absolutely nothing while you do all the work and at the end of the month he'll pay you 6000 (and tell you that is 4 times the average salary per month in China) while earning 40,000 for himself. |
Don't be silly. It will be a joint venture between us. He obviously won't be teaching as much due to his responsibilities at the uni but he obviously still has to get paid for making the whole thing happen. As has been made clear by others on here, there is no way a foreigner is going to waltz in and be able to set something like this up.
Besides, you don't really need to concern yourself about who will get paid what, I came on here seeking advice as to the feasibility of such a venture. Thanks for your useless input though. |
And is your "friend" going to provide the proper documents for you to legally work in China?
You use the word "venture" but the reality is your "friend" is just hiring out a a few rooms at the uni. You sound like a pretty gullible person if you think setting up any venture is as easy as just hiring out a few rooms. To set up any kind of business, you need a business license, you need to pay taxes, your "friend" needs a license to hire you etc.
If you your "friend" is just planning on hiring a few rooms, you'll be working illegally and no doubt being screwed over in terms of pay. |
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Miles Smiles
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Just to clear things up, I am an experienced esl teacher but it is not me instigating this thing. My friend who is Chinese and an adjunct professor at a Chinese university is the one trying to get this off the ground at his university. He would like me to be a part of it.
I don't have experience in China but as he is at the helm I would think it shouldn't be so tough.
Do I still need to 'get real' as you say miles or does this sound more realistic now? |
You're still in Oz, so pay no attention to that man behind that curtain.
Why would anyone want a teacher who is inexperienced in TEFL in China to help him get something off the ground in China?
In the U.S., an adjunct professor is just a part-time teacher with a Ph.D or MFA and who (usually) teaches somewhere else. If he were so important, he'd be a full-bird prof at the university where he is trying to start the program.
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shadowrider
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| demitrescou wrote: |
Just to clear things up, I am an experienced esl teacher but it is not me instigating this thing. My friend who is Chinese and an adjunct professor at a Chinese university is the one trying to get this off the ground at his university. He would like me to be a part of it.
I don't have experience in China but as he is at the helm I would think it shouldn't be so tough.
Do I still need to 'get real' as you say miles or does this sound more realistic now? |
You're still in Oz, so pay no attention to that man behind that curtain.
Why would anyone want a teacher who is inexperienced in TEFL in China to help him get something off the ground in China?
In the U.S., an adjunct professor is just a part-time teacher with a Ph.D or MFA and who (usually) teaches somewhere else. If he were so important, he'd be a full-bird prof at the university where he is trying to start the program.
Run, Toto, run! |
adjunct: not full-time with usually no benefits and brought in term by term to teach specific courses. As opposed to collegiate faculty,which are full-time under contract for at least one year. At least thats the way it was at a major state university in the US that I used to teach at. |
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rogerwilco
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Besides, you don't really need to concern yourself about who will get paid what, I came on here seeking advice as to the feasibility of such a venture. Thanks for your useless input though. |
Do you prefer for us to only tell you what you want to hear, or do you prefer for us to give you our honest opinions and probably save you a great deal of time and money ?
There are thousands of available foreigners already in China.
Why would any Chinese person want to enter into a partnership with a foreigner that has zero experience in China ? |
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spiral78
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There are thousands of available foreigners already in China.
Why would any Chinese person want to enter into a partnership with a foreigner that has zero experience in China ? |
No, dana, I'm still not in China.
 
But I still want to say that it's entirely common for people to get jobs through their connections.
Who's to say that this particular Chinese would-be LC organiser doesn't simply want to work with his friend whom he presumably knows to be qualified, competent, and reliable - as opposed to one of the thousands of strangers whose only known quality is that they are already in China? |
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rogerwilco
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There are thousands of available foreigners already in China.
Why would any Chinese person want to enter into a partnership with a foreigner that has zero experience in China ? |
No, dana, I'm still not in China.
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Ouch, that hurts !
My first time being called a "dana"   |
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spiral78
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I meant this one from page 1 of the thread - no reflection on you, roger! Over.
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danasoverseasemail wrote:
spiral78 wrote:
I can't speak for China, but I know of similar enterprises in Western universities - so much of my experience may not apply at all.
dana:
This is precisely where this post should have ended. Non-Chinese country rules, regulations, and laws do not apply in China.
spiral:
Dana, I don't claim to know anything about Chinese regulations and I made that very clear.
However, general information about ways that Language Centres can operate inside universities may be useful to the OP or possibly others; I'll let them be the judge of that.
Most people tend to feel that the more info they can glean from the boards, the better, even when it's not 100% applicable to their own situations. This is actually true of almost all advice or information given on an international board such as this by definition, and most participants don't have any problems taking what's useful and politely leaving the rest |
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Miles Smiles
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adjunct: not full-time with usually no benefits and brought in term by term to teach specific courses. As opposed to collegiate faculty,which are full-time under contract for at least one year. At least thats the way it was at a major state university in the US that I used to teach at. |
True. I was trying to keep it simple. Because the adjunct professor is part-time, he/she usually works elsewhere as well. Where I taught, the full-time MA's were referred to as lecturer level instructors, and they usually had 3-year renewable contracts. Ph.Ds who were not tenured (e.g. graduate faculty) worked under 3-5 year "tenure track" contracts. They,too, were considered lecturer-level instructors, but not professors. |
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demitrescou
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But I still want to say that it's entirely common for people to get jobs through their connections.
Who's to say that this particular Chinese would-be LC organiser doesn't simply want to work with his friend whom he presumably knows to be qualified, competent, and reliable - as opposed to one of the thousands of strangers whose only known quality is that they are already in China? |
I thought this went without saying but clearly not. Thanks for pointing it out to them spiral  |
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