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How important is the job of ALT to education in Japan?
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SeasonedVet



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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe that ALTs do contribute to education in Japan, although the system of ALT/NET/Dispatch/Outsourcing is not perfect.
There is a bigger contribution that could be made.
ALTs acting as human tape recorders is not achieving much as someone said, the cd player can do that just fine.

There are ALTs who complain of being underutilized. Just look at the thread about How you spend your abundant free time.
Then there are concerns about ALTs who don't do a good job either because they don't want to or because they just don't know how to.
The so called training that I have seen in eikaiwas as well as ALT training....I believe that teachers are being set up for failure. This, I think is not necessarily deliberate, it is the way the system is...sometimes the wrong people are in those positions of authority.

Even though it would be beneficial to have some background in education, teachers would still have to be" re-educated" if you will as teaching in japan is a" different animal".

There are a lot of tricks I have learnt from JTEs concerning classroom control, creating realia for this culture, things that kids here are generally interested in,tips on lesson preparation, tips on handout creation.

I have seen a lot of negative comments wwhen it comes to JTEs but I have learnt a lot from them.
Some ALTs believe that they can come and teach the way they want and believe that it is way better than a JTE could ever hope to do. They believe that a few games of hangman (not allowed anymore), is just what the kids need, not what the JTEs do.

I do have my peeves about the way some JTEs go about teaching, in another thread I said they teach grammar like a science. They, some of them, tend to make what could be an interesting lesson, dull, with their overexplanations and spoonfeeding. That can be tiresome for the ALT as well as for the students. But those JTEs are just doing what they have been taught the same way ALTs are doing what they were taught when the trainer told them to play hangman (no longer allowed).

I have worked with other JTEs who do a wonderful job (especially at high schools).
At junior high schools teachers (especially women teachers) tend to "baby" the students.

But there is the bigger question of
"why was the ALT programme set up?" and "Is it achieving the goals stated?"
There is a good discussion going on in another thread now that has/is addressing this very issue.
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SeasonedVet



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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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steki47



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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SeasonedVet wrote:
At junior high schools teachers (especially women teachers) tend to "baby" the students.


I'm going to cherry pick one point of your stellar post and say that this is one of my peeves. Those types of JTEs seems to treat the kids like they are too stupid to figure things out on their own.

Not just when I explain something in English, but also when they explain things in Japanese. Everything has to be explained 3-4 times. If a student has a question, the JTE instantly spoon-foods them the answer (or translates my English) rather than teaching them to learn through context or problem-solving exercises.

Again, different style of teaching/ culture/etc...
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Tsian



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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, should ALTs be expected to have completed some sort of TESOL degree and/or have a level of Japanese proficiency?
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some level of J proficiency, yes.
A TESOL-like degree? Not necessarily, but when one considers that ALTs teach in public schools, not eikaiwas, and have an influence on young minds as to the L2 and perceptions of foreigners, it only makes sense (to me anyway) that an ALT should have at least a certificate in some TESOL field, if not a degree related to teaching.

I have degrees in life sciences, and despite the fact that I felt my English command was pretty darned good, I was not so naive to think that even for eikaiwa teaching I should just zip on over without getting a certificate to show me something about what I might be expected to do.
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steki47



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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tsian wrote:
So, should ALTs be expected to have completed some sort of TESOL degree and/or have a level of Japanese proficiency?


I generally agree with Glenski on both points. A certain of Japanese is a good idea. I hesitate to give an exact level requirement, but conversational with some emphasis on teaching/grammar vocab should be sufficient.

A full master's degree for an ALT seems like overkill to me. I would like to see more coherent (and regular) training and maybe more organized communication between JTEs and ALTs. Monthly meetings might be useful as well.
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Kionon



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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

steki47 wrote:
A full master's degree for an ALT seems like overkill to me. I would like to see more coherent (and regular) training and maybe more organized communication between JTEs and ALTs. Monthly meetings might be useful as well.


...I have one.

As far as I am concerned, an ALT with an MA is one of two things:

1) Someone with Mickey Mouse MA, and everyone in their home country knows it.

OR

2) Someone who actually gives a damn about education and pursued the advanced degree to be both more marketable AND more effective in the classroom.

I can't speak to every MA program, but mine had education coursework, observation, and assistantships. In Texas, and most of the South, as long as you have 18 hours or more in a given subject, you can teach that subject at the freshman and sophomore level, assuming you complete the MA in at least one of the subjects you studied. A few of us had previous teaching experience, but most people proceeded straight from undergraduate study and had never had student teaching or classroom experience, so it seemed necessary to the coursework to require that kind of instruction.

Just more tools for my bag.

I'm not overqualified, in my opinion. As Glenski and I have agreed, the vast majority of ALTs are under-qualified. And that is a major issue.
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nightsintodreams



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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grr.....must resist....temptation....to post...argh...negative.....insulting... comment....
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OneJoelFifty



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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

steki47 wrote:


A full master's degree for an ALT seems like overkill to me. I would like to see more coherent (and regular) training and maybe more organized communication between JTEs and ALTs. Monthly meetings might be useful as well.


Agreed. For the ALT role as it now stands in Japan, the majority of people that have an MA are going to find themselves extremely frustrated and wonder why they are doing a job that makes so little use of the qualification they made the effort to get.
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SeasonedVet



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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tsain wrote
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So, should ALTs be expected to have completed some sort of TESOL degree and/or have a level of Japanese proficiency?


I am going to break with others and give a different answer.

At least conversational Japanese would definitely help.

Having a TESOL degree or a Masters I would say not necessary but wouldn't hurt to have them.

What is needed is teachers who can teach. I don't need a TESOL degree to be a good teacher in Japan.
When I was a uni student I studied a lot of Theory, when I got here, the theory was just that, theory.
Studying TESOL does not make you a good teacher. It will make you a teacher knowledgeable about TESOL.

Don't misunderstand what I am saying though, I am not saying that you should not get that type of degree, all I am saying is that alone will not make you a better teacher than the other teacher who has, as someone said a degree in "underwater basketry"? Was that the expression?
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tsain wrote
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So, should ALTs be expected to have completed some sort of TESOL degree and/or have a level of Japanese proficiency?


I am going to break with others and give a different answer.

At least conversational Japanese would definitely help.

Having a TESOL degree or a Masters I would say not necessary but wouldn't hurt to have them.

What is needed is teachers who can teach. I don't need a TESOL degree to be a good teacher in Japan.
When I was a uni student I studied a lot of Theory, when I got here, the theory was just that, theory.
Studying TESOL does not make you a good teacher. It will make you a teacher knowledgeable about TESOL.

Don't misunderstand what I am saying though, I am not saying that you should not get that type of degree, all I am saying is that alone will not make you a better teacher than the other teacher who has, as someone said a degree in "underwater basketry"? Was that the expression?
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OneJoelFifty wrote:
steki47 wrote:


A full master's degree for an ALT seems like overkill to me. I would like to see more coherent (and regular) training and maybe more organized communication between JTEs and ALTs. Monthly meetings might be useful as well.


Agreed. For the ALT role as it now stands in Japan, the majority of people that have an MA are going to find themselves extremely frustrated and wonder why they are doing a job that makes so little use of the qualification they made the effort to get.


I am doing an MS while working as an ALT. I eventually would like to move into uni work and am considering some research options.

To be honest, I find that many of the topics I am learning in my MS Language Edu degree are, while interesting and inspiring, not applicable to my Japanese classroom.

I am not merely being negative here. A Japanese researcher (Rintaro Sato in JALT) argued that communicative language teaching (CLT) is a Western idea and not appropriate for the Japanese/East Asian classroom. He cites a Chinese researcher and also argues that Japanese classrooms should have more teacher-supported practice and cut back on independent student output, which sort of defeats the purpose of CLT.

Given the professional environment I have described previously, I really don't have much chance to try some of the teaching ideas I am learning. The light schedule and loads of downtime at this job give me the time to study, but not much opportunity to convert theory to practice. So be it.
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TokyoLiz



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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The ALT job is only valuable and useful if the ALT can demonstrate that he or she is valuable.

I'm not an ALT, but I serve as one a few times a week. The Japanese elementary school homeroom teachers are relieved that I can communicate about pedagogical issues in Japanese, understand their needs (improving their own English language skill, learning about second language acquisition, managing outliers, etc.), and can think on my feet.

The one junior high school teacher I work with has never had a competent and experienced co-teacher before. She's always had non-Japanese fluent young people with little or no theory or practice in TESOL. She initially had no idea how to make use of me, so I brought her a list of things I can do for her. We've decided to slowly ease me into preparing writing and conversation strategies. Eventually, under her oversight, I'll be teaching segments within her lessons.

The feedback from the learners tells me that what I'm doing is valuable to them.

Another deciding factor of whether the ALT job is valuable or not is who you work for. To the average ALT recruiter, you're just another warm body. To a school board, you're a civic worker with obligations to the public.

Because ALTs are a box of chocolates due to the lack of professional standards, it's hard to make a case that ALTs have an impact on Japanese learners beyond simply providing one more teacher for an hour a week to each junior high school class.
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Kionon



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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SeasonedVet wrote:
Don't misunderstand what I am saying though, I am not saying that you should not get that type of degree, all I am saying is that alone will not make you a better teacher than the other teacher who has, as someone said a degree in "underwater basketry"? Was that the expression?


Underwater basket weaving.

It is a phrase with a long and quite hilarious history:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_basket_weaving


EDIT: BTW, I worked with one ALT who had a fake degree. I did not know until he left my area, and aside from this, I considered and still consider him a friend. He served an additional year with Interac at another location. I think he is now brewing beer for a living...
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TokyoLiz wrote:
The ALT job is only valuable and useful if the ALT can demonstrate that he or she is valuable.


Concur.

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I'm not an ALT, but I serve as one a few times a week. The Japanese elementary school homeroom teachers are relieved that I can communicate about pedagogical issues in Japanese, understand their needs (improving their own English language skill, learning about second language acquisition, managing outliers, etc.), and can think on my feet.


Matches my experience, yes. Although my ES work is significantly less than my JHS work. I am not as capable with small children. I will have at least a few ES classes in my new position, so we shall se...

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The one junior high school teacher I work with has never had a competent and experienced co-teacher before. She's always had non-Japanese fluent young people with little or no theory or practice in TESOL. She initially had no idea how to make use of me, so I brought her a list of things I can do for her. We've decided to slowly ease me into preparing writing and conversation strategies. Eventually, under her oversight, I'll be teaching segments within her lessons.


This is a pretty apt description of my first year in Japan. My surprise at how little my predecessors had done, and my JTEs surprise at how much I was capable of doing. Eventually, most JTEs and I settled into a "segment" routine, we would alternate, both of us having about 50% of the lesson. Later I would be asked to teach solo lessons as well. I imagine if you spend more than one year at your current JHS, you will probably see your level of utilisation increase even further.

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The feedback from the learners tells me that what I'm doing is valuable to them.


I'm glad to hear it!

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Another deciding factor of whether the ALT job is valuable or not is who you work for. To the average ALT recruiter, you're just another warm body. To a school board, you're a civic worker with obligations to the public.


In the strange world of itaku and haken, and no one knowing what is what, you may end up with both. My BoE very much considered me a civic worker with obligations to the public. I had a supervisor at the BoE and if I wasn't at a school for some reason, I sat at a desk in the city office that day, unless I had previously asked to use vacation or it was a city-wide school holiday. But I was not direct hire. In the end, I threw my understanding of labor law out the window, and treated both my BoE supervisor and my company supervisor as bosses, and did whatever they instructed me to do as long as those instructions were not in direct conflict.

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Because ALTs are a box of chocolates due to the lack of professional standards, it's hard to make a case that ALTs have an impact on Japanese learners beyond simply providing one more teacher for an hour a week to each junior high school class.


On the whole, I would agree. I would say on the individual level, ALTs can have an impact, either in English or in life. I still keep in touch with some of my former students, and I believe this is significant evidence that I had an impact on their lives... I also keep in touch with my old BoE and my old schools, and I visited both in October. Even "snuck" (had permission) into an English class and surprised the students--leading to questions of when I was coming back.
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