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choudoufu
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Location: Mao-berry, PRC
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| I really don't care that someone might choose to work for 4,000RMB. I am wondering would someone who was looking to find a job paying 8,000-10,000RMB have a hard time finding one? Assuming they were well kept and had a passport from Canada, the US, England, Ireland, Australia, or New Zealand. |
you need to be more specific. are you looking at language schools or
universities or international schools or middle schools? what is the
entire package? does it include airfare? does it include accommodations?
is the job legal with z-visa/fec/residence permit?
what subjects will be taught? how many hours? does the position
require office hours, english corners, marketing promotions, etc.?
the raw salary really doesn't say much about the position.
but this is what you want: if you meet the suggested requirements
(big 5 nationality, 2 years teaching experience, degree),
you should have no difficulty finding a university job (~16 hours)
paying 5-6K (slightly lower pay in more desirable locations), including
housing and airfare.
you'll find it much harder to find uni jobs paying 8-10K.
if you want more money, you can go the language mill route, where
you'll likely find jobs paying 8-12k, some with housing and airfare,
some without. but in these jobs you'll be working more hours, and
may have more responsibilities outside of teaching. |
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scholar
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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| You have to consider the economy in China. It's different from Western countries. A salary of 4,000 is actually very good for a Chinese. Professors and so on usually make no more than 3,000, and average works, less than 2,000. With housing provided, 4,000 is not bad at all and allows for traveling, saving etc. |
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JZer
Joined: 16 Jan 2005
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Location: Pittsburgh
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| scholar wrote: |
| You have to consider the economy in China. It's different from Western countries. A salary of 4,000 is actually very good for a Chinese. Professors and so on usually make no more than 3,000, and average works, less than 2,000. With housing provided, 4,000 is not bad at all and allows for traveling, saving etc. |
China is expensive. One should earn as much as they can! But if people want to work for 4000RMB that is their choice. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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Location: Blabbing
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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| scholar wrote: |
| You have to consider the economy in China. It's different from Western countries. A salary of 4,000 is actually very good for a Chinese. Professors and so on usually make no more than 3,000, and average works, less than 2,000. With housing provided, 4,000 is not bad at all and allows for traveling, saving etc. |
Yer having a laugh 
This is simply not true. The Chinese professors at the tiny little training college where I live earn over 5K a month and are offered annual bonuses and free accommodation on-campus, among a host of other benefits including meals. And this does not include any "grey money" nor outside tutoring they earn. One of my best friends works in said college and for the 10 years I have known him has always been honest with me.
He does have a nice BMW, I must say. So do many of the professors. Exactly how do they afford all those nice cars, anyway?
Also as JZer above me just said: China is not cheap as it once was.
And on the OP:
Javelin of Radiance answered the question exactly. |
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JZer
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Location: Pittsburgh
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| The Great Wall of Whiner wrote: |
| scholar wrote: |
| You have to consider the economy in China. It's different from Western countries. A salary of 4,000 is actually very good for a Chinese. Professors and so on usually make no more than 3,000, and average works, less than 2,000. With housing provided, 4,000 is not bad at all and allows for traveling, saving etc. |
Yer having a laugh
This is simply not true. The Chinese professors at the tiny little training college where I live earn over 5K a month and are offered annual bonuses and free accommodation on-campus, among a host of other benefits including meals. And this does not include any "grey money" nor outside tutoring they earn. One of my best friends works in said college and for the 10 years I have known him has always been honest with me.
He does have a nice BMW, I must say. So do many of the professors. Exactly how do they afford all those nice cars, anyway?
Also as JZer above me just said: China is not cheap as it once was.
And on the OP:
Javelin of Radiance answered the question exactly. |
Actually, I am just trying to determine whether someone can earn as much in China as Taiwan working the same hours.
I am talking about someone with a B.A. or B.S. and a passport from one of the big 5 countries.
Certified teachers are excluded. However I would think that a certified teacher could earn more in China than Taiwan. |
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JZer
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Location: Pittsburgh
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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| The Great Wall of Whiner wrote: |
| scholar wrote: |
| You have to consider the economy in China. It's different from Western countries. A salary of 4,000 is actually very good for a Chinese. Professors and so on usually make no more than 3,000, and average works, less than 2,000. With housing provided, 4,000 is not bad at all and allows for traveling, saving etc. |
Yer having a laugh
This is simply not true. The Chinese professors at the tiny little training college where I live earn over 5K a month and are offered annual bonuses and free accommodation on-campus, among a host of other benefits including meals. And this does not include any "grey money" nor outside tutoring they earn. One of my best friends works in said college and for the 10 years I have known him has always been honest with me.
He does have a nice BMW, I must say. So do many of the professors. Exactly how do they afford all those nice cars, anyway?
Also as JZer above me just said: China is not cheap as it once was.
And on the OP:
Javelin of Radiance answered the question exactly. |
For me personally, I hope to retire at 55 in the US from a government job and return to Asia when I am 55. I wouldn't mind working at a university in Tibet for accommodation when I retire. |
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therock
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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One common theme from people who work at unis is they enjoy the stress free lifestyle, while the salary is enough to live on and save a little.
The above point might have more weight if you have a Chinese green card. However for most foreign teachers, they are in China on year to year contracts. So my questions are, what are you going to do if the government decides to kick out all the foreigners? What are you going to do if you have a medical emergency?
Even if you manage to save 3500rmb of your 5000rmb a month, that will evaporate quickly if you are forced out of the country. |
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therock
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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| JZer wrote: |
| scholar wrote: |
| You have to consider the economy in China. It's different from Western countries. A salary of 4,000 is actually very good for a Chinese. Professors and so on usually make no more than 3,000, and average works, less than 2,000. With housing provided, 4,000 is not bad at all and allows for traveling, saving etc. |
China is expensive. One should earn as much as they can! But if people want to work for 4000RMB that is their choice. |
Take a look at the "cost of living" thread, you'll see people claiming they live off a 1000 a month with change left over.
5 years ago people on this forum were claiming to live off 500 a month.
Well at least we know inflation has had an effect. |
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ecubyrd94
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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| I have a question about provided housing for university jobs. What does that exactly mean? Do you get a reasonable housing allowance and can choose your own place, get no choice and must live in what the uni rented for its FT, or live on campus? I'm just curious about this for when I do give up the grind and reach an age where I want to work as little as possible while still getting paid something. |
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Shroob
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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| I have a question about provided housing for university jobs. What does that exactly mean? Do you get a reasonable housing allowance and can choose your own place, get no choice and must live in what the uni rented for its FT, or live on campus? I'm just curious about this for when I do give up the grind and reach an age where I want to work as little as possible while still getting paid something. |
In my case it means I got a flat with all the usual provisions (everything from beds, sofas and chairs down to plates, chopsticks and toilet roll) ready for me when I landed in China. Some universities provide a housing allowance, others (like mine) provide accommodation on campus. If they do provide an allowance, it's normally optional. For example, there is accommodation on campus if you want it, or you could take the allowance.
Each contract is different so I'm not sure what you would consider 'reasonable' to be, but it's always a good idea to remember to negotiate. |
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ecubyrd94
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| ecubyrd94 wrote: |
| I have a question about provided housing for university jobs. What does that exactly mean? Do you get a reasonable housing allowance and can choose your own place, get no choice and must live in what the uni rented for its FT, or live on campus? I'm just curious about this for when I do give up the grind and reach an age where I want to work as little as possible while still getting paid something. |
In my case it means I got a flat with all the usual provisions (everything from beds, sofas and chairs down to plates, chopsticks and toilet roll) ready for me when I landed in China. Some universities provide a housing allowance, others (like mine) provide accommodation on campus. If they do provide an allowance, it's normally optional. For example, there is accommodation on campus if you want it, or you could take the allowance.
Each contract is different so I'm not sure what you would consider 'reasonable' to be, but it's always a good idea to remember to negotiate. |
Thanks for the info. I'd consider reasonable to be the norm for the location. I get 5000 in Shanghai (probably more than other places). I certainly wouldn't want to live in on-campus housing being married and planning for a child. |
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Non Sequitur
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2012 2:18 am Post subject: |
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If you don't have commitments at home and must send money to meet these my experience tells me that the lifestyle comes first.
A uni job with accom on campus, 16 to 18 contact hours pw plus airfare, utilities and paid winter holiday is my preference.
The pay would range from 4500 to 5500 pm - although slightly less for desirable locations like Qingdao.
When thinking what can earn and save, think of the exchange rate.
US, Oz and Canada, you need 5 RMB to buy a dollar and for NZ about 7 RMB.
Unless you are at an international school or learn Mandarin the China experience counts little on your CV. |
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MisterButtkins
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2012 2:33 am Post subject: |
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I have personally been offered 7000RMB for a university job with 15 hours a week of work in Guangdong.
The question is would anyone looking for a job that pays at least 8,000-10,000RMB not get one assuming that had a degree? |
I would say yes they can find a job, esp if they are white and not super old or obese |
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MisterButtkins
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2012 2:41 am Post subject: |
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| So my questions are, what are you going to do if the government decides to kick out all the foreigners? |
Go work somewhere else?
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| What are you going to do if you have a medical emergency? |
Use my health insurance? |
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dean_a_jones
Joined: 03 Jul 2009
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Location: Wuhan, China
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2012 4:43 am Post subject: |
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| The Great Wall of Whiner wrote: |
This is simply not true. The Chinese professors at the tiny little training college where I live earn over 5K a month and are offered annual bonuses and free accommodation on-campus, among a host of other benefits including meals. And this does not include any "grey money" nor outside tutoring they earn. One of my best friends works in said college and for the 10 years I have known him has always been honest with me.
He does have a nice BMW, I must say. So do many of the professors. Exactly how do they afford all those nice cars, anyway? |
It is always the cars isn't it? Well I can only assume they either:
a) receieved them as said end of year bonus
b) they charged 'a BMW' in exchange for some private tutoring
c) they stole them
d) they are not actually BMWs, but crappy Chinese cars with a BMW body
Free accomodation and meals are not unusual for FTs, as are a host of other benefits. As for these end of year bonuses, what are we talking here? Are all college teachers getting handed an envelope containing multiples of their annual salary? What does one have to perform in order to receive this bonus?
Or are they often just engaging in corrupt and unfair behaviour (i.e. mandatory paid study sessions for those who want to pass, taking bribes for passing grades etc.) or whatever in order to skim off the top.
Last edited by dean_a_jones on Sat May 26, 2012 10:38 am; edited 1 time in total |
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