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Who do you currently teach and where? (kids, adults or both) |
Kids - pre-pimary to secondary students (in Asia) |
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17% |
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Adults including post-secondary students (in Asia) |
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17% |
[ 5 ] |
Both Kids & Adults (in Asia) |
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6% |
[ 2 ] |
Kids (in Europe) |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
Adults (in Europe) |
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10% |
[ 3 ] |
Both (in Europe) |
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6% |
[ 2 ] |
Kids (elsewhere) |
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3% |
[ 1 ] |
Adults (elsewhere) |
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31% |
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Both (elsehwere) |
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6% |
[ 2 ] |
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LongShiKong
Joined: 28 May 2007 Posts: 1082 Location: China
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:12 pm Post subject: Who do you teach (ids, adults, or both) and where? |
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According to Spiral78, the vast majority of ELT (at least in Europe) is with adults but I'm wondering what that breakdown actually looks like for Asia and Europe (at least among forum participants)? If the difference between the # of Adult Ed forum posts compared to Elem Ed posts is any indication, it's 2:1. |
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santi84
Joined: 14 Mar 2008 Posts: 1317 Location: under da sea
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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I'm still in progress but setting up my business to teach children here in Canada. |
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denise

Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 3419 Location: finally home-ish
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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As I'm sure you know, it varies by region. In the Middle East, for example, there are tons of university jobs available--maybe university students should get their own group, instead of being grouped with adults. Teaching adults often means business teaching, very different from academic/pre-university teaching.
I teach university students in the US. |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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I checked 'adults in Europe' but I also teach adults in North America.
Agree with Denise that 'university' would have been a useful category, particularly as some will argue that university students can be termed 'children,' depending on cultural norms (those I work with are adults, thankfully).
If you added a 'university' category, I would have to check both it and 'adult' (businesspeople) for both Europe and North America.
Anyway, even if it can only be relatively accurate, it's interesting. |
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MotherF
Joined: 07 Jun 2010 Posts: 1450 Location: 17�48'N 97�46'W
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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I was also tempted to choose Both (elsewhere) because my students (17-23) are adults some of the time, but it's often not unlike teaching kids (which I did in Asia in the 90s). Especially at 6pm on a Friday! |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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I wouldn't call my post-secondary students here in Japan "adults". Not mentally or socially speaking. Not by a long shot. So, sadly, I cannot add to the poll. |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:14 am Post subject: Re: Who do you teach (ids, adults, or both) and where? |
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LongShiKong wrote: |
According to Spiral78, the vast majority of ELT (at least in Europe) is with adults but I'm wondering what that breakdown actually looks like for Asia and Europe (at least among forum participants)? If the difference between the # of Adult Ed forum posts compared to Elem Ed posts is any indication, it's 2:1. |
In my experience in Korea and China I'd say most of the jobs are with kids. Maybe now in China there are more adverts for unis, but learning English at a young age is pretty popular. |
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Denim-Maniac
Joined: 31 Jan 2012 Posts: 1238
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:33 am Post subject: |
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Im adults only in China. Post university, those with work experience typically. Average age is probably over 25. I havent ticked a poll box as adults in Asia seems to include university age students. |
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contented
Joined: 17 Oct 2011 Posts: 136 Location: اسطنبول
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:24 am Post subject: |
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IMO, Asia is quite broad. There's East Asia, South Asia, Southeast Asia, Central Asia....... |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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Amy way you dice it, the Adults seem to in the majority - by quite a margin too. |
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DebMer
Joined: 02 Jan 2012 Posts: 232 Location: Southern California
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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I teach adult ESL in Southern California through a community college program. My students are mostly mothers of school age children, with a couple of older women in the mix. I would venture to say, however, that most ESL offered in my area is to K-12 children in the school system. Mostly the children of Mexican immigrants. |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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that most ESL offered in my area is to K-12 children in the school system. |
I wonder how much of that is taught by ESL teachers, or teachers of other subjects, primarily? Basically, how big is the market for actual qualified ESL teacher specialists in California public schools?
I know that in Canada, teachers of other subjects are often required to put in some time teaching ESL as a part of their roster of classes - but they aren't required to be trained ESL teachers.
In Europe, the biggest segment of EFL is English in the public school systems, but because by far most teachers are locals (non-native English speakers) this doesn't really figure into the range of what native English-speaking expat TEFL teachers in the region do. |
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DebMer
Joined: 02 Jan 2012 Posts: 232 Location: Southern California
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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It's been some years since I taught in the K-12 system full time (late 1990's), but I remember that my predominantly Hispanic elementary school had one full time ESL classroom for students transitioning into English. The rest of us were asked to use English language development materials in our classes with students who tested below a certain level on the ESL test. Any student whose school forms indicated that English was not the first or primary language spoken at home was tested and placed.
That aside, California is in such an economic crunch, I have no idea if schools are carrying out these special programs right now. I should check the edjoin website to find out if districts are listing jobs for language support personnel. |
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santi84
Joined: 14 Mar 2008 Posts: 1317 Location: under da sea
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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spiral78 wrote: |
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that most ESL offered in my area is to K-12 children in the school system. |
I wonder how much of that is taught by ESL teachers, or teachers of other subjects, primarily? Basically, how big is the market for actual qualified ESL teacher specialists in California public schools?
I know that in Canada, teachers of other subjects are often required to put in some time teaching ESL as a part of their roster of classes - but they aren't required to be trained ESL teachers.
In Europe, the biggest segment of EFL is English in the public school systems, but because by far most teachers are locals (non-native English speakers) this doesn't really figure into the range of what native English-speaking expat TEFL teachers in the region do. |
Here in Quebec, very few K-12 TESL instructors have TESL training. In this province, TESL is not a subject you can choose for your regular BEd in Secondary Education (like Biology or whatever), it is it's own separate BEd in TESL Secondary Education. It is a very comprehensive program and terribly thorough, but excludes many applicants due to the rigidity of the program (my application required completing 3 full academic years despite my BA in TESL from British Columbia).
So, you have people cutting corners, particularly outside Montreal. Where I live (a small 99% francophone town of 100,000), you have francophone Physics teachers leading the ESL classrooms because there is nobody else available. I have been told I can "cut corners" to get hired but I would like certification for my own benefit.
In British Columbia, the story was completely different. 3rd year English majors were allowed to switch right into BEd in Secondary Education and choose TESL for their final 2 years. I'm still kicking myself for not doing it And as a result, you have many fully qualified BEd (TESL) instructors in the British Columbia public system. |
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