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		| HystericalHoosier 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:48 am    Post subject: Warning ICEAT and King Saud University |   |  
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				| Teachers thinking of teaching at KSU through the recruiter ICEAT should be aware of pending litigation and a corruption investigation involving the university and its recruiter for forcing teachers to work in KSA illegally.  The pending cases could result in ICEAT losing their government contracts. As a result many of these teachers will be barred from working in KSA in the future. |  | 
	
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		| veiledsentiments 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Warning ICEAT and King Saud University |   |  
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	  | HystericalHoosier wrote: |  
	  | As a result many of these teachers will be barred from working in KSA in the future. |  Why would the teachers be barred?  (are you being "hysterical" again?
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 If it is the "business visa" thing, they will have to ban the majority of teachers in KSA these days as that is what nearly all the universities seem to be using these days.
 
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		| HystericalHoosier 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:51 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| One of the teachers has already been put on the blacklist as the company failed to process her visa in a timely matter.  There is also an inquiry into how the teachers are renewing visa without ever leaving the country. 
 There is to be a hearing concerning the matter at the ministry of labor on Saturday.  This is the third time the hearing has been scheduled.  One of the remedies the judge can order is to cancel the companies government contracts.  ICEAT has been ordered by the police to appear after twice failing to show.  More to come.
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		| nomad soul 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Warning ICEAT and King Saud University |   |  
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	  | HystericalHoosier wrote: |  
	  | Teachers thinking of teaching at KSU through the recruiter ICEAT should be aware of pending litigation and a corruption investigation involving the university and its recruiter for forcing teachers to work in KSA illegally. |  I'm not sure what you mean by "forcing" teachers to work illegally.  The teachers came willingly on these business visit visas and once they realized they weren't getting the required iqama/work permit, they simply could have left the country.   Ignorance of the law is never a good defense.  By the way, where are you getting your information?
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		| veiledsentiments 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:05 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| What "blacklist" would this be?  Being late on a visa is not a major crime... merely a fine.  Or perhaps a restriction for a year or two which has supposedly been done away with due to the new laws on NOCs. 
 They aren't all that efficient to be honest.  She can likely do as people have done for years with the KSA rules... "wash your passport."  Although I've never quite understood why one would want to return.
 
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		| HystericalHoosier 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:30 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| [i]I'm not sure what you mean by "forcing" teachers to work illegally. The teachers came willingly on these business visit visas and once they realized they weren't getting the required iqama/work permit, they simply could have left the country. Ignorance of the law is never a good defense. By the way, where are you getting your information? [/i]
 
 Many teachers were flown into third countries with no visa being told that they would get their work visa there.  However the work visa never comes.  While they are not chained to a bed like a sex slave in some BBC special, once you have given up a job and are stuck in the magic kingdom with no ticket home, many people are financially chain to the job at least for some time.  Passports have to be turned in every thirty days for about a week leaving you a virtual prisoner in your room.  The case at the Labor ministry is a matter of public record and hopefully it will get some news coverage.
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		| Captain Willard 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:48 am    Post subject: Re: Warning ICEAT and King Saud University |   |  
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				| To whom will ICEAT lose their contracts? 
 EdEx?
 
 EdEx brings teachers in to KSU on work visit visas all the time.  Renewals are sent to Jordan for a few days.
 
 EdEx must have some wasta to escape investigation considering the criminal past of the Western face of the company-"Dr. Harvey Wallbanger". (Not his real name.)
 
 
 
 
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	  | Teachers thinking of teaching at KSU through the recruiter ICEAT should be aware of pending litigation and a corruption investigation involving the university and its recruiter for forcing teachers to work in KSA illegally.  The pending cases could result in ICEAT losing their government contracts. As a result many of these teachers will be barred from working in KSA in the future. |  
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		| veiledsentiments 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:32 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | HystericalHoosier wrote: |  
	  | Many teachers were flown into third countries with no visa being told that they would get their work visa there.  However the work visa never comes. |  And right here is the problem.  If only people would check here before accepting something like this.  Anyone here could have told them that they are NOT getting a legal work visa, nor can what they get ever be turned into a legal visa.
 
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