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Trebek
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 Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:28 am Post subject: I've moved here and now they want to change my contract. |
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I've been at my new Uni for two weeks now. Other than the very kind FAO the rest of the Chinese staff doesn't appear to like the cut of my jib.
I'm 190 cm tall, big shoulders, decent belly, weigh 136 Kilos, look like an American football linebacker.
I also bike more than 200 kms per week, swim like a fish, and only missed one day last year because of food poisoning.
Now they want me to sign a "Supplementary Agreement" stating that they dont have to pay my insurance or something. The English version is very vague, but that is the gist of it.
Is this normal? They have had my medical records for months.. My last school didn't ask me to sign this. I feel personally insulted.
What would you folks do if asked to sign this?? |
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JamesD
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With all respect, age issue maybe? I know when I hit 50 it was harder to get so after discussing with the MIC we worked out separate coverage.
With all the new tax rulings, visa tightening, and withholding laws (and rumors of same) flying around maybe you're being turned down by the carrier who is nervous.
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The Great Wall of Whiner
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Not surprised.
I would not sign it. Just say "no" and that is that. If they keep bugging me, just keep saying "no".
If you do, they got you the whole year and you will have continual problems with them. Up to you... |
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Trebek
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:56 am Post subject: |
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Yes, good point. I just turned 49 so that would make me 50 while still under contract.
But to hit me with this 2 weeks after I arrive here. The contract was signed a couple months back.... |
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wangdaning
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:06 am Post subject: |
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| Have they already processed your documents? |
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Trebek
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:44 am Post subject: |
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| Have they already processed your documents? |
Which Documents Wangdang? They are still working on the residence permit. Not sure about the others. |
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7969
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:45 am Post subject: |
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| Trebek wrote: |
| Now they want me to sign a "Supplementary Agreement" stating that they dont have to pay my insurance or something. The English version is very vague, but that is the gist of it. |
Are you talking about the annual medical insurance? If so, how much does it cost? Find out if you don't know. Ask them why they're presenting this to you now and not earlier. If the previous agreement was something different bring that up. Tell them you hope they'll take the "honourable step" of not changing things on you at this point. Try get all the facts from them first, or at least as much as you can, and after you get all this then decide the next step.
If it is the medical insurance they don't want to pay for and they insist you sign this amendment and you don't want to sign it, then your only choice is to leave the job. How much is it going to cost you if you start looking for another job now? At the start of the summer? If this job otherwise looks ok and the insurance isn't a lot then you might decide to pay it. You're still out of pocket some money but less than if you end up leaving the school and the job. Then again, they may relent. If you don't sign this amendment and decide to leave it'll cost them more to get a new teacher to replace you. You might call their bluff. Explain you don't want to sign and you expect them to pay as previously agreed. See what happens. |
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Ariadne
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Why would Trebek have to leave if he doesn't sign the new addendum? From what he says, the contract has already been signed. If the contract has a clause about breaking the contract then the school would have to pay him to go away. I know, I know. Doesn't mean they will, but it does give him a bit of leverage. If they really want him to sign, maybe he can work out a trade of some kind... he agrees to pay his own insurance and they agree to reduce his hours by X amount (or some other item in his favor). I'd certainly recommend not signing the add-on if the school is the only one who benefits.
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wangdaning
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:24 am Post subject: |
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| Trebek wrote: |
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| Have they already processed your documents? |
Which Documents Wangdang? They are still working on the residence permit. Not sure about the others. |
I would just stall until all things are processed (RP and FEC) and then refuse. Nothing they can do.
What type of insurance are you talking about? |
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therock
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:35 am Post subject: |
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| You've got a superior education, so you shouldn't have too many difficulties changing jobs. |
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7969
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| Ariadne wrote: |
| Why would Trebek have to leave if he doesn't sign the new addendum? From what he says, the contract has already been signed. If the contract has a clause about breaking the contract then the school would have to pay him to go away. I know, I know. Doesn't mean they will, but it does give him a bit of leverage. If they really want him to sign, maybe he can work out a trade of some kind... he agrees to pay his own insurance and they agree to reduce his hours by X amount (or some other item in his favor). I'd certainly recommend not signing the add-on if the school is the only one who benefits. |
I never said he had to leave. I merely listed a few possibilities/options that may or may not occur depending on who does what. Trebek's best leverage in this situation is that he's already there and the school is already processing his residence permit. Because of that the school is better off just paying whatever it is they've decided to not pay and if they can't see that then they're as dumb as a bag of hammers. Either that or they really do want to get rid of him for some reason. It's still not clear what this is really about. This could be another one of those misunderstandings that both sides are unsure of and in the end amounts to nothing. Time will tell. |
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Trebek
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| therock wrote: |
| You've got a superior education, so you shouldn't have too many difficulties changing jobs. |
Hahaha.. Find where I made that statement?? You can't.
But yes I won't have a problem getting a job in or outside of China.  |
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therock
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:04 am Post subject: |
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| wangdaning wrote: |
| Trebek wrote: |
| wangdaning wrote: |
| Have they already processed your documents? |
Which Documents Wangdang? They are still working on the residence permit. Not sure about the others. |
I would just stall until all things are processed (RP and FEC) and then refuse. Nothing they can do.
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This might be the best advice, the school will not be happy, but they are not going to terminate the contract, the most they will do is decide you have to go after your contract, but since you have just arrived and provided you have no major health related issues in the next year, everything will be forgotten come renewal time. |
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Trebek
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:05 am Post subject: |
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| Ariadne wrote: |
| Why would Trebek have to leave if he doesn't sign the new addendum? From what he says, the contract has already been signed. If the contract has a clause about breaking the contract then the school would have to pay him to go away. I know, I know. Doesn't mean they will, but it does give him a bit of leverage. If they really want him to sign, maybe he can work out a trade of some kind... he agrees to pay his own insurance and they agree to reduce his hours by X amount (or some other item in his favor). I'd certainly recommend not signing the add-on if the school is the only one who benefits. |
I never said he had to leave. I merely listed a few possibilities/options that may or may not occur depending on who does what. Trebek's best leverage in this situation is that he's already there and the school is already processing his residence permit. Because of that the school is better off just paying whatever it is they've decided to not pay and if they can't see that then they're as dumb as a bag of hammers. Either that or they really do want to get rid of him for some reason. It's still not clear what this is really about. This could be another one of those misunderstandings that both sides are unsure of and in the end amounts to nothing. Time will tell. |
Both of you have excellent ways to approach this. Thanks for showing me that I have the upper hand, I wasn't sure earlier. But I say to myself: Do I want to work for these people? What stupidity will befall on me if I refuse to sign and they lose face and keep me here? I don't trust this school anymore. |
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Trebek
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:12 am Post subject: |
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| The Great Wall of Whiner wrote: |
Not surprised.
I would not sign it. Just say "no" and that is that. If they keep bugging me, just keep saying "no".
If you do, they got you the whole year and you will have continual problems with them. Up to you... |
I'm thinkin' they got me for a whole year regardless. They are a small school, with a big hiring problem, out in the sticks. I doubt they will let me go; yet I hope they do. I no longer want to work for them. I can see continual problems unless I sign the agreement (which I won't do). |
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