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santi84
Joined: 14 Mar 2008 Posts: 1317 Location: under da sea
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:16 am Post subject: |
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Agreed, the OP is a woman and for all we know, at 5'0 and 130lbs will be overweight in many parts of Asia.
Hell, even here in Quebec she would be considered the same yet average in most of the US and in much of Canada. |
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sirius black
Joined: 21 Nov 2011 Posts: 41
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:33 am Post subject: |
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OP, don't listen to any one who makes it any thing more than a minor issue. At least in Korea. Its almost a non issue.
Most Americans are overweight anyway and most of the teachers are.
There are tons of threads about guys complaining the teachers here are fat. I've seen tons of very fat teachers. Some look morbidly obese.
You will get a job. Not a problem. Schools are desperate for people and there are more jobs than candidates. Always have been.
These boards have a habit of discouraging people who I know will be able to teach successfully in Korea. Ethnic minorities, gays, over 30 or over 40 folks, etc. I've seen discouraged from teaching. I don't know why. Maybe its to stop competition. Maybe its some naturally negative personality.
I can tell you though, it will not be an issue in Korea. |
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Aristede
Joined: 06 Aug 2009 Posts: 180
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:08 am Post subject: |
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sirius black wrote: |
These boards have a habit of discouraging people who I know will be able to teach successfully in Korea. Ethnic minorities, gays, over 30 or over 40 folks, etc. I've seen discouraged from teaching. I don't know why. Maybe its to stop competition. Maybe its some naturally negative personality.
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Good comments. When I was thinking of teaching in Korea years ago, I let myself be persuaded by people who said it was nearly impossible for someone over 40 to get a job there. I ended up waiting another 5 years before deciding to go ahead and teach overseas, ending up in China instead (by that time all the paperwork put me off trying Korea).
What I've found from experience and research is, as you've said, there are jobs for everyone to be found. Some issues just may require more persistence from the applicant. Unfortunately the negative posts you refer to are generated by a very few vocal posters who pop up on each board to tell people in essence, "Don't bother coming to the country I've been working in for years and enjoying. There are no jobs here and everyone will treat you badly."
It is easy now to recognize those posters quickly and dismiss their remarks in favor of those from genuinely knowledgeable and helpful posters. A shame that many newbies probably read the junk posts and take them to heart. |
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Aristede
Joined: 06 Aug 2009 Posts: 180
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:22 am Post subject: |
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Gringo Greg wrote: |
1) Being overweight, it's much harder to handle the heat in a tropical environment. If you have a sedentary lifestyle and continuing eating like you are now, you will gain even more weight. |
Doesn't that statement assume that she has bad eating habits to begin with? You have no way of knowing if that's true.
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2) Being overweight does affect how well you can teach a typical EFL class. I know no one wants to admit it, but it's the truth. |
No idea what you're talking about here. If your teaching style involves jumping around like a trained monkey, then I guess extra weight could slow you down. I've taught with and without excess weight and the only thing that mattered either way was how focused I was during a given lesson.
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FYI: There is nothing healthy about being fat, it's disgusting, it's gross, it's a killer. Being fat is killing you. May I suggest losing weight now? |
IMO,these remarks suggest that you are transferring your own issues to the OP. As another poster observed, you have no idea how much extra weight she is carrying. Nor do you know if there are any issues contributing to the weight gain. Therefore, "May I suggest losing weight now" is about as useful as telling a depressive, "Just cheer up." |
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santi84
Joined: 14 Mar 2008 Posts: 1317 Location: under da sea
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:32 am Post subject: |
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I understand that socially an overweight person can feel 'out of place' in Korea or other countries with similar weight standards (as some of my friends have said), but none of them have experienced hiring discrimination. With the exception of one girl (who is of Asian descent but 100% American), their weight issues are either a non-issue or 'forgiven' ( ) due to their cultural background. Perhaps it is an expectation that the Western teacher is slightly plump  |
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Prof.Gringo

Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 2236 Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:47 am Post subject: Re: Is being overweight going to make it difficult to find a |
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majestic58 wrote: |
Hello! I'm a Canadian female who will be graduating with a BA in linguistics and I'm looking to spend some time overseas teaching English after getting my CELTA. My question is, will my being overweight make it impossible to find a job? I'm looking mainly at Asia at the moment but haven't narrowed it down further than that. Any input (other than "just lose the weight you slob") would be greatly appreciated.  |
I think weight is relative... And I think women are judged much harsher than men.
I am both big & tall. But I carry it well and in Latin America it has never been an issue.
How would it be for me in Asia? Dunno.
Really, I would just say go for it and have a plan B or backup just in case, if things don't work out for any reason (your weight might be the least of your worries). |
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voltaire
Joined: 03 Dec 2006 Posts: 179 Location: 'The secret of being boring is to say everything.'
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:57 am Post subject: Re: Is being overweight going to make it difficult to find a |
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majestic58 wrote: |
Hello! I'm a Canadian female who will be graduating with a BA in linguistics and I'm looking to spend some time overseas teaching English after getting my CELTA. My question is, will my being overweight make it impossible to find a job? I'm looking mainly at Asia at the moment but haven't narrowed it down further than that. Any input (other than "just lose the weight you slob") would be greatly appreciated.  |
Two things: (1) I notice the OP hasn't been back to reply, so perhaps there is no point going on... (2) Omitting the 'slob' or any unkind remarks, why not 'just lose weight'? It's not impossible I think. I won't even get into the many possible ways, but if you're out there Ms. Majestic, please answer. |
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Gringo Greg
Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 264 Location: Everywhere and nowhere
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:13 am Post subject: |
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Aristede wrote: |
blah blah blah blah
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If you want to defend unhealthy life choices then go ahead, but don't attack healthy living advice. hahaha
You want to destroy your life, go ahead. |
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Aristede
Joined: 06 Aug 2009 Posts: 180
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:32 am Post subject: |
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Gringo Greg wrote: |
Aristede wrote: |
blah blah blah blah
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If you want to defend unhealthy life choices then go ahead, but don't attack healthy living advice. hahaha
You want to destroy your life, go ahead. |
Your petulant rebuttal verifies my observations. Have a nice day.  |
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Aristede
Joined: 06 Aug 2009 Posts: 180
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:08 am Post subject: Re: Is being overweight going to make it difficult to find a |
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voltaire wrote: |
(2) Omitting the 'slob' or any unkind remarks, why not 'just lose weight'? It's not impossible I think. I won't even get into the many possible ways, but if you're out there Ms. Majestic, please answer. |
As you've pointed out, the OP hasn't been around for a long time, so we can only speculate about the specifics of her situation. Lacking that, I will say that although your comment is well-meaning, there are many possible reasons why people gain weight and how easy or difficult it is to lose the weight once gained.
The source of much prejudice is that most people assume obesity to be the result of bad eating and exercise habits. And it probably is the most common reason. But consider other possibilities. Here are just a couple.
Example 1: I knew a guy who struggled with his weight from childhood, and was 300+ pounds in high school. In his 20s, he went on a very strict diet and exercise regimen that included running for miles every day. This helped him lose a lot of weight. However, it remained a continual struggle, and if he eased off the running for even a short time, he began gaining weight again. So in addition to other stress in his life, the burden of his own metabolism added constant pressure.
Example 2: I knew a guy in college who was in a car accident and suffered a back injury. This both limited his ability to exercise and required taking painkillers every day. He soon had a weight problem as a consequence. The extra weight placed a greater load on his back, aggravating the problem and its effects.
Example 3: I worked with a woman who had health problems requiring her to take medication that caused her weight to balloon up over a mere 2-3 months. This could not simply be rectified with diet and exercise. She hated bearing the extra weight, but it was an unfortunate and common side effect of the meds.
So if you said to any of these people, "why not just lose weight?" it wouldn't be very helpful advice. For those of us with a "normal" constitution, it may be a relatively straightforward matter, but for many it isn't. |
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santi84
Joined: 14 Mar 2008 Posts: 1317 Location: under da sea
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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Sharing our experiences is one thing, projecting them as another.
With all due respect Gringo Greg (and that is an amazing accomplishment), being "overweight" clinically starts at a BMI of 26, so for an average 5'4 female that is only around 150lbs (a bit above average for North America, certainly above average cultural acceptance in Asia). This is a far cry from being 450lbs+ which is an extreme example of morbid obesity. Being overweight can put one at risk of health conditions, morbid obesity means those conditions are occurring already.
We have no idea if the OP is ill or unhealthy as a result of her weight, and I think people who are above-average weight face enough assumptions in life, do they not
I love to teach English but my hobby is in powerlifting. I'm a petite woman, but I lift with girls who are overweight - that weight doesn't mean they are unhealthy, some of them are very healthy. They just choose to keep a little more cushion. Don't assume. |
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voltaire
Joined: 03 Dec 2006 Posts: 179 Location: 'The secret of being boring is to say everything.'
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:24 am Post subject: |
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Well said (above) Aristede. It sounds like an obvious thing to say, but I myself hadn't realized it until reaching 'a rather advanced age'.
People can't help the way they look.
So it's really one's own problem if they dislike someone for being overweight, or generally having a vacant expression, or being 'ethnic' or just plain unattractive.
Appearances are deceiving.
Just one example, there was another instructor at a place I worked. My first impression was that she was a mousey, meek and milktoast Chinese woman. Rather plain, bad English (I presumed)and just a real zero.
When I got to know her better I found her very knowledgeable about her subject (biology), open-minded, brash and bold, an engaging conversationalist far beyond all the others at that school, a conscientious teacher of high moral standards and most importantly as funny as hell!
Just shows to go ya... |
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HLJHLJ
Joined: 06 Oct 2009 Posts: 1218 Location: Ecuador
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:25 am Post subject: |
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It's hardly surprising that the OP hasn't been back. It doesn't matter if the OP is 150lbs or 450lbs, she didn't come here looking for dietary advice. Why do so many people feel obliged to jump in with unwanted and judgmental 'advice' on other people's lifestyle choices when it's none of their business? |
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majestic58
Joined: 08 Aug 2011 Posts: 19 Location: Canada
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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First of all, thank you for all the constructive and informative posts... Just to clear things up, here is some background information about me:
I've been active all my life, I played 6 varsity sports all throughout high school. I've been on provincial track teams, and been to the Olympic trials for track and field. I played on a professional women's football team for 8 years, doing 3 hour practices four times a week with games on Saturday. I've also been fat my whole life. I'm 5'9 and overweight, not chubby but genuinely overweight. All the sports have taken their toll, I've had three knee surgeries (one when I was 17 to repair the shredded meniscus in my right knee, one when I was 26 to repair it again and repair a tear in my ACL and a third one to replace the ACL and repair the meniscus in my left knee) and I'm likely looking at a fourth.
I probably don't eat as well as I should, but I'm not gorging myself on crap... But, with the state of my knees serious exercise is difficult. I swim, I ride my bike, I walk... But the fact is, I'm a fat kid... always have been..
This isn't a pity party, and I certainly didn't mean to stir things up... I just wanted to know if my size was going to create an issue. I'm still going to go... Just wanted to know what to prepare myself for. <3 |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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Cheers! Here's to you! Clink!
Best of luck to you! |
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