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dogUNLEASHED



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:01 am    Post subject: Start up costs Reply with quote

What are the typical start up costs for an American to work in China?

These are my figures so far:

Chest x-ray = 1500 RMB
EKG = 6700 RMB
Other medical tests = 700 RMB
Airfare to China = 7700 RMB

Plus, I've read where people who get a stipend for an apartment have to pay a deposit plus three months rent. Let's say 8000 RMB.

Total = 24,600 RMB not counting other miscellaneous expenses.

Are my figures correct?
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7969



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:05 am    Post subject: Re: Start up costs Reply with quote

dogUNLEASHED wrote:
Are my figures correct?

Depends on what kind of job you're after. You can cut your figures at least by half for a university job with accommodation provided.
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choudoufu



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Location: Mao-berry, PRC

PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:41 am    Post subject: Re: Start up costs Reply with quote

dogUNLEASHED wrote:
What are the typical start up costs for an American to work in China?

These are my figures so far:

Chest x-ray = 1500 RMB
EKG = 6700 RMB
Other medical tests = 700 RMB
Airfare to China = 7700 RMB

Plus, I've read where people who get a stipend for an apartment have to pay a deposit plus three months rent. Let's say 8000 RMB.

Total = 24,600 RMB not counting other miscellaneous expenses.

Are my figures correct?


for a 'merkan?

latest reports are that new york consulate does not require the medical exam. if the province where you'll be working will issue a work permit
without a medical, the expense will be zero. if otherwise, it depends on
your insurance or where you get the tests (i.e. free clinic).

health exam (~350 rmb) in china is usually covered by the employer.
same for costs in-country for fec and rp.

visa. for a'merkan i believe the cost is $160, plus agency and fedex fees.

flight cost? variable.

rental costs? usually one month deposit, plus one month agency fee,
plus 3 or 6 or 12 months rent. depends on the location and how well
you can bargain.

other costs.............apartment set up. bedding and fan and cooking
stuff and coffee maker and many, many cleaning supplies. you gotta
stock your refridgerator. local transport. sightseeing. restaurants and
bars.

so make your best guesstimate, and be sure to bring 3x that. plus
enough to buy a return ticket in case things don't go so well.......
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keeperofpythons



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:10 am    Post subject: Re: Start up costs Reply with quote

dogUNLEASHED wrote:

Chest x-ray = 1500 RMB
EKG = 6700 RMB


Seriously, just go to a local cheapo clinic and get it done there. I did that and everything all included was $300-$400.
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chinatimes



Joined: 27 May 2012
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:48 am    Post subject: Re: Start up costs Reply with quote

dogUNLEASHED wrote:
What are the typical start up costs for an American to work in China?

These are my figures so far:

Chest x-ray = 1500 RMB
EKG = 6700 RMB
Other medical tests = 700 RMB
Airfare to China = 7700 RMB

Plus, I've read where people who get a stipend for an apartment have to pay a deposit plus three months rent. Let's say 8000 RMB.

Total = 24,600 RMB not counting other miscellaneous expenses.

Are my figures correct?


First question, why are you putting all these figures in RMB if you aren't in China yet? Second, you might not need any of those until you get to China. I only paid about 400 or 600 RMB when I went to China (total). Once in Shanghai, and the second in Shenyang. Now I am in Beijing and they aren't asking for anything. Your estimates are way too high.


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Zimmer



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, depending on where you live, an internet account, about 800 - 1000 RMB. You'll probably be needing a cellphone too.

Whenever I've moved, I've found setting up a new apartment to be expensive even when I take things from my last apartment with me.
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chinatimes



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zimmer wrote:
Also, depending on where you live, an internet account, about 800 - 1000 RMB. You'll probably be needing a cellphone too.

Whenever I've moved, I've found setting up a new apartment to be expensive even when I take things from my last apartment with me.


Schools have always provided me with free internet service. As for the phone, that is really counting your RMB. You can buy 50RMB cards and away you go. If you don't call much it can last you 1-2 months easily.

You would have to be taking a terrible job offer to have problems paying for daily necessities.

If are moving between long distances, the shipping costs are not bad. I paid about 600 to ship stuff from Shanghai to Shenyang. From Shenyang to Beijing was either 3 or 400 and I made a couple trips myself cause I had a computer, two guitars, etc...

The train fare is only about 200 RMB. Again, all this is quite doable. China is cheap.
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Denim-Maniac



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's scary, is it really so much?

I cant speak as an American (Im British) but going to China in September last year didnt cost me nearly as much. Is the medical at home really required? I didnt have to do it to get a Z visa issued in London last year.

My costs were as follows -

Z Visa in London - 800 RMB
Flights London>KL. KL>Guilin - 5200 RMB
Start-up cash - 5000 RMB

I probably could have managed on less start-up money TBH.
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therock



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Location: China

PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:40 am    Post subject: Re: Start up costs Reply with quote

dogUNLEASHED wrote:
What are the typical start up costs for an American to work in China?

These are my figures so far:

Chest x-ray = 1500 RMB
EKG = 6700 RMB
Other medical tests = 700 RMB
Airfare to China = 7700 RMB

Plus, I've read where people who get a stipend for an apartment have to pay a deposit plus three months rent. Let's say 8000 RMB.

Total = 24,600 RMB not counting other miscellaneous expenses.

Are my figures correct?


Ouch!!

Considering most schools offer around 5000rmb a month and 10 month contracts, just getting here will cost you half of your yearly salary. Not worth it if you ask me!!
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L00kingforwork



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A question about the medical exam.

Is the chest X-Ray a must for them to process the visa. In Canada, I might have some difficulty getting an X-Ray done unless there is a real medical reason.
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dogUNLEASHED



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the answers, guys. The school is in Tianjin and pays 10,000 with a 1500 stipend for an apartment. The boss of the school wants me to get the medical tests done here and e-mailed me a form. I'll call clinics on Monday morning to find the lowest prices and let the boss of the school know what those costs are. If they're as high as I'm expecting, I hope I can at least wait and get the EKG done in China.

To answer chinatimes, I was putting the figures in RMB because it's the currency all people who have taught in China are universally familiar with. If people from South Africa quote things in rand or New Zealanders quote prices in New Zealand dollars, it forces most people to have to go to a currency conversion website.
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rdobbs98



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Add in also that provided accommodation is not free either. I have not been in China yet, but every contract sent to me, even with so called "free accommodation" is not free. You still pay a monthly rent and utilities to the school. To me that is not "free" and shouldn't be advertised as such, just as when they say the salary is 22,000 RMB and you find out it is up to 22,000 RMB but they are considering a "perfect storm" if you get all bonuses and reimbursements, not quite honest.
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Ariadne



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the school says it provides accommodations, then there should NOT be a fee for 'rent'. There may well be some utility charges, although many schools pick those up too. I pay for electric and a flat fee for water every month. The school pays for internet and the landline phone. Each school is slightly different regarding what they do/don't pay, but if you live in school provided apartments there should be no rent.

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rdobbs98



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well the contracts I have gotten and turned down, with provided housing, stated a fee monthly and payments for utilities, some had all the utilities, some had just internet and telephone. So not "free" housing then.

Also the restrictions that were placed on the "free" housing.

"Party B must not keep anyone for the night in the apartment provided by Party A , nor must he/she lend the apartment to anyone else. In living in the apartment, using the electrical appliances and electronic devices or other home appliances in the apartment, Party B should follow the safety rules concerned to the letter. Party B will be responsible for any losses caused by this."

"For the sake of Party B�s safety, Party B must return to his apartment provided by Party A before 11 p.m. if Party B goes out. Party B must get permission from Party A if Party B intends to stay outside the campus for the night. If Party B expects to have visitors, appointments between Party B and the visitors should be made in advance to make sure that Party B will come to the gate to pick up the visitors at their appointed time. Party B�s visitors are expected to show ID card to the guard, register at the school gate, and wait for Party B at the gate until Party B comes to the gate to pick them up. The visitors might be refused to enter the campus if the visitors fail to show ID card, register, or if Party B does not come to pick up the visitors at the gate. No visitors are admitted after 11 p.m."
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chinatimes



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dogUNLEASHED wrote:
To answer chinatimes, I was putting the figures in RMB because it's the currency all people who have taught in China are universally familiar with. If people from South Africa quote things in rand or New Zealanders quote prices in New Zealand dollars, it forces most people to have to go to a currency conversion website.


If we both are in China, then yes, it is something we are "universally" familiar with. However, if you are in the US and you quote things in RMB, does that mean:

1. You are paying someone in China?
2. The person in the US wants RMB and not dollars?
3. You are pricing things based on a Chinese pricing scheme?
4. You are pricing things based on USD and then converting to RMB?
5. Is the school somehow involved? The teacher doesn't always have to foot the bill. By mentioning things in only RMB, there can be confusion there.

The above possibilities make it much more confusing, and one would still need a calculator along with a bunch of "if/then" statements.

A. If you are paying someone $600 USD for a medical check, then that is too much. No more research needed, but we still have the IF/THEN clause. If there was no reference to RMB, we could then say, "Paying $600 is too much for a medical check".

B. If you are paying someone 600 RMB for a medical check, then that is either ok or real cheap in the states.

So, I think we should avoid giving RMB values UNLESS you are actually in the country. It lends itself to too many other possibilities. Whereas, the $600 in US is a concrete amount. You don't have to convert anything. If you are in US, you use USD and you reported using USD.

When you do other people's thinking, you see how it can tangle things up? I never think in terms of won or yen, but yet, I have lived in Japan and Korea and can count using their numbering scheme.

So, based on http://www.vodafone.co.uk/brands/iphone/pay-monthly-iphone/index.htm if I were in London, what I would do is say something like, "I am in London, and before go to China I was thinking of getting an iphone for 219 pounds (about 2,000 RMB). Should I wait and get one in China?" (hypothetical scenario)

This way people don't need a calculator/conversion chart as you mentioned or wonder in which context you are referring to RMB without the use of IF/THEN clauses.

As a side note, if you talk to students in China and say RMB they will giggle at you because that's not how they "universally" refer to the money (stores will ignore what you said because they want your money and they don't want to offend you). Words like "kuai" and "yuan" are used. Please check this link http://community.travelchinaguide.com/forum2.asp?i=38961
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