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| The management is reasonable. |
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| The students are excellent. |
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| The city/town is a good place to work. |
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| I do not qualify for jobs in my home country. |
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Ariadne
Joined: 16 Jul 2004
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So, Scholar, have you told us yet what you really like about your job and what that job is?
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El Macho
Joined: 30 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:50 am Post subject: |
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| Steinmann wrote: |
| Opiate wrote: |
| Steinmann wrote: |
| El Macho wrote: |
| The money in China can be great. Where else could someone three years out of grad school work a 9-to-5 and save US$25,000/year while enjoying 3 months of vacation? I wish I had a teaching certificate�I'd be able to earn even more. |
I'm trying to do the math on this one, but it ain't working out for me. |
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... but I'd love for someone to explain how it works. Especially that saving US $25K part. Also, how much difference could a teaching cert possibly make? |
to save $25k/year you need to save about 13,000 RMB/month. If you earn over �20k that isn't hard to do, even in Beijing (as long as housing is provided).
If you are being paid hourly (as I used to be), don't work for less than 300/hour. Working at a school that Chinese people know and respect also helps to drive up your tutoring rates, should you care to tutor.
For certified teachers with an MA and a teaching cert, a school like Western Academy of Beijing would pay a salary starting in excess of US$50,000. |
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LongShiKong
Joined: 28 May 2007
Posts: 1082
Location: China
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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| On Tue Jul 13, 2010, El Macho wrote: |
Post subject: Beijing salary? What to expect?
My Beijing job is 9 hrs/week for �5,000/month. Overtime is �200/hr. It includes a 2 br apt (on-campus), medical, vacation bonuses, RT airfare, and end-of-contract bonus. The typical uni job "extras". |
Guess El Matho either missed a decimal place or he's working for 3 unis. |
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El Macho
Joined: 30 Jan 2006
Posts: 200
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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| LongShiKong wrote: |
| On Tue Jul 13, 2010, El Macho wrote: |
Post subject: Beijing salary? What to expect?
My Beijing job is 9 hrs/week for �5,000/month. Overtime is �200/hr. It includes a 2 br apt (on-campus), medical, vacation bonuses, RT airfare, and end-of-contract bonus. The typical uni job "extras". |
Guess El Matho either missed a decimal place or he's working for 3 unis. |
As you note in your post, that was in 2010. As I posted in 2011, I found it easy to earn more. Many public universities have affiliated training centers that can pay quite well.
Ultimately, I'm just a guy on the internet so you can choose to believe it or not. It doesn't really matter. I just think it's too bad that so many folks seem to think that they're doing *so well* making 10-15k/month when it's possible to make so much more here, even without a teaching cert or an MA.
Edit: Nothing wrong with earning 10-15k, especially in a smaller city. That's not what I mean to say. However, I do think it's possible to network your way into finding the type of quasi-mythical "high paying" teaching jobs that you only hear about on the internet. So, this goes back to what I like about my job. The earning potential.
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Opiate
Joined: 10 Aug 2011
Posts: 630
Location: Qingdao
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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| El Macho wrote: |
| LongShiKong wrote: |
| On Tue Jul 13, 2010, El Macho wrote: |
Post subject: Beijing salary? What to expect?
My Beijing job is 9 hrs/week for �5,000/month. Overtime is �200/hr. It includes a 2 br apt (on-campus), medical, vacation bonuses, RT airfare, and end-of-contract bonus. The typical uni job "extras". |
Guess El Matho either missed a decimal place or he's working for 3 unis. |
As you note in your post, that was in 2010. As I posted in 2011, I found it easy to earn more. Many public universities have affiliated training centers that can pay quite well.
Ultimately, I'm just a guy on the internet so you can choose to believe it or not. It doesn't really matter. I just think it's too bad that so many folks seem to think that they're doing *so well* making 10-15k/month when it's possible to make so much more here, even without a teaching cert or an MA. |
Sounds great for you! Be honest though, the number of jobs like yours are miniscule compared to the number of 5-8k RMB/month jobs. I am sure they exist but they are not common and not easy to find. I have lived in the same city for over 2 years with a Chinese wife to help me scout and have never even caught a whiff of any gig like that here. |
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El Macho
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stinkytofu
Joined: 23 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:18 am Post subject: |
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| I estimate 70% of the teachers in China had no intention of ever coming here to work. However, the fact is, teaching in China was their best option so they took it. Also, when a teacher finds a better job in their native country, there usually happy to leave(especially women) . |
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Opiate
Joined: 10 Aug 2011
Posts: 630
Location: Qingdao
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:57 am Post subject: |
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| stinkytofu wrote: |
| I estimate 70% of the teachers in China had no intention of ever coming here to work. However, the fact is, teaching in China was their best option so they took it. Also, when a teacher finds a better job in their native country, there usually happy to leave(especially women) . |
I estimate you have no idea what you are talking about. |
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therock
Joined: 31 Jul 2005
Posts: 1266
Location: China
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:09 am Post subject: |
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| Opiate wrote: |
| stinkytofu wrote: |
| I estimate 70% of the teachers in China had no intention of ever coming here to work. However, the fact is, teaching in China was their best option so they took it. Also, when a teacher finds a better job in their native country, there usually happy to leave(especially women) . |
I estimate you have no idea what you are talking about. |
How many percent?  |
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stinkytofu
Joined: 23 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Opiate wrote: |
| stinkytofu wrote: |
| I estimate 70% of the teachers in China had no intention of ever coming here to work. However, the fact is, teaching in China was their best option so they took it. Also, when a teacher finds a better job in their native country, there usually happy to leave(especially women) . |
I estimate you have no idea what you are talking about. |
Let's see. There's my roommate, a former corporate lawyer, his previous job was on wall street, lost his job in the last recession. Also, the Harvard MBA grad I work with that couldn't find a job back home. Or, two more teachers I work with that lost their jobs as salesman when the economy tanked several years ago. Also, my DOS, had a dead end job back home working at supermarket. Those are just teachers I know that are humble enough to admit it.
I know, I'm crazy. |
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scholar
Joined: 18 May 2012
Posts: 159
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Somehow when they get to China, they're all former lawyers, VPs and Harvard MBAs. And I'm the Duke of Earl. |
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choudoufu
Joined: 25 May 2010
Posts: 3325
Location: Mao-berry, PRC
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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| stinkytofu wrote: |
| I estimate 70% of the teachers in China had no intention of ever coming here to work. |
not-affiliated-stinky-tofu has a valid opinion. original stinky tofu however
thinks 95% of the (foreign) teachers in china had no intention of coming
here to work. i don't recall anyone at any of my colleges sharing their
intent to work in china, teaching engrish or otherwise.
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| However, the fact is, teaching in China was their best option so they took it. |
original stinky tofu does not agree. this implies their best, or only,
option to earn a living. think about how many are here enjoying a
leisurely year or two, or are entering semi-retirement, or just spending
a year after college?
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| Also, when a teacher finds a better job in their native country, there usually happy to leave(especially women) . |
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Opiate
Joined: 10 Aug 2011
Posts: 630
Location: Qingdao
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| stinkytofu wrote: |
| Opiate wrote: |
| stinkytofu wrote: |
| I estimate 70% of the teachers in China had no intention of ever coming here to work. However, the fact is, teaching in China was their best option so they took it. Also, when a teacher finds a better job in their native country, there usually happy to leave(especially women) . |
I estimate you have no idea what you are talking about. |
Let's see. There's my roommate, a former corporate lawyer, his previous job was on wall street, lost his job in the last recession. Also, the Harvard MBA grad I work with that couldn't find a job back home. Or, two more teachers I work with that lost their jobs as salesman when the economy tanked several years ago. Also, my DOS, had a dead end job back home working at supermarket. Those are just teachers I know that are humble enough to admit it.
I know, I'm crazy. |
So your five anecdotal stories equate to 70% of all teachers in China. Amazing. Way to extrapolate!!!! You are not crazy, you are simply foolish. |
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LongShiKong
Joined: 28 May 2007
Posts: 1082
Location: China
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| El Macho wrote: |
| The money in China can be great. Where else could someone three years out of grad school work a 9-to-5 and save US$25,000/year while enjoying 3 months of vacation? I wish I had a teaching certificate�I'd be able to earn even more. |
Along with El Matho, I'm also making significantly more than I was from a previous employer 2 yrs ago. Tuition is also much higher. Yet, on the other hand, Chinese co-teachers here make significantly less. As you can guess, the heightened income inequity results in a pretty high turnover. |
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Opiate
Joined: 10 Aug 2011
Posts: 630
Location: Qingdao
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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| scholar wrote: |
| Somehow when they get to China, they're all former lawyers, VPs and Harvard MBAs. And I'm the Duke of Earl. |
I want to punch myself in the face and break my fingers for typing this but....I agree. I have heard too many bullshit stories. |
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