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choudoufu
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I have not commuted 3 hours to work in my life. That's a 6 hour day added to your schedule in return for a meagre salary (at best).
Blimey, the things that some people will do here in China for a 'teaching' job never fails to astound or amaze. |
commuting? who said anything 'bout commuting? |
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The Edge
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:44 am Post subject: |
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| choudoufu wrote: |
| The Edge wrote: |
I have not commuted 3 hours to work in my life. That's a 6 hour day added to your schedule in return for a meagre salary (at best).
Blimey, the things that some people will do here in China for a 'teaching' job never fails to astound or amaze. |
commuting? who said anything 'bout commuting? |
Some dude a few posts earlier when refering to a 3 hour journey by train to work each day. |
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The Edge
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:45 am Post subject: |
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| Non Sequitur wrote: |
The border of a major city extends to about half way to the next major city.
For example I taught a summer in a town (Gai Zhou) almost exactly half way between Dalian and Shenyang.
The train (not express) trip took 2 hrs 55 mins whereas to Shenyang it was 6 hrs.The Gai Zhou people considered they 'belonged to Dalian'.
So it isn't necessarily BS and if for the OP the employer considered that QD has more recognition value (which it does) then you can see the connection.
As with everything in China you have to dig a bit to get bedrock.
Accom - is that room or apartment? Share or single?
Payday on 20th - is that 20th of the month worked or 20th of month following.
The list is endless. |
This ^^^^^ |
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choudoufu
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 7:06 am Post subject: |
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| The Edge wrote: |
| Non Sequitur wrote: |
The border of a major city extends to about half way to the next major city.
For example I taught a summer in a town (Gai Zhou) almost exactly half way between Dalian and Shenyang.
The train (not express) trip took 2 hrs 55 mins whereas to Shenyang it was 6 hrs.The Gai Zhou people considered they 'belonged to Dalian'.
So it isn't necessarily BS and if for the OP the employer considered that QD has more recognition value (which it does) then you can see the connection.
As with everything in China you have to dig a bit to get bedrock.
Accom - is that room or apartment? Share or single?
Payday on 20th - is that 20th of the month worked or 20th of month following.
The list is endless. |
This ^^^^^ |
huh? no mention of a commute.
he worked in a town between two larger cities.
the residents of the town considered themselves to be a part of one of the large cities.
this is reference to whether jiaonan is actually part of qingdao.
nope, no mention of a commute. |
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The Edge
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 7:13 am Post subject: |
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Oh dear.
My bad.
Maybe the poster that I quoted should have also mentioned how far they lived from Nanjing, Beijing and Shenzhen just to avoid any confusion as to whether they are refering to the location of where they live and their place of work.
If it helps, we live about a 2 hour flight to HK and a 10 hour flight to London.
I do not work in either though. |
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Non Sequitur
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:10 am Post subject: |
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| The Edge wrote: |
I have not commuted 3 hours to work in my life. That's a 6 hour day added to your schedule in return for a meagre salary (at best).
Blimey, the things that some people will do here in China for a 'teaching' job never fails to astound or amaze. |
It was a summer job and I worked and lived in Gai Zhou Wednesday to Sunday.
Traveled back to Dalian Sunday afternoon to my apartment at the uni. Then back to Gai Zhou on Tuesday afternoon.
Employer picked up the tab and I stayed with her for the days I taught.
Best summer job I ever had in PRC.
Hope that clarifies. |
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The Edge
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:12 am Post subject: |
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| Non Sequitur wrote: |
| The Edge wrote: |
I have not commuted 3 hours to work in my life. That's a 6 hour day added to your schedule in return for a meagre salary (at best).
Blimey, the things that some people will do here in China for a 'teaching' job never fails to astound or amaze. |
It was a summer job and I worked and lived in Gai Zhou Wednesday to Sunday.
Traveled back to Dalian Sunday afternoon to my apartment at the uni. Then back to Gai Zhou on Tuesday afternoon.
Employer picked up the tab and I stayed with her for the days I taught.
Best summer job I ever had in PRC.
Hope that clarifies. |
Nice one.
Glad that you enjoyed it. |
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therock
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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| choudoufu wrote: |
it seems there is a country called china.
that country has a province called shandong.
that province has a county called qingdao.
that county has a city called jiaonan.
according to google maps,
qingdao to jiaonan is 108km, mostly freeway. (1hr38)
or you can cut that to 47km by taking the ferry. (1hr43)
unclear, but not necessarily deceitful. would you feel the
same way if the ad read "a training school in beautiful coastal
qingdao county,shandong province?" |
or you can take the bridge which would reduce the travel times to roughly what I said. Your point remains the same however.
EDIT:
Seems my previous post in this thread magically disappeared....
Jiaonan *is* in Qingdao. There is no other way to look at it. Yes it is a fair bit out of the city center but it is Qingdao. About an hour by car from taidong if you use the bridge and the bus would likely be 2 hours though I have never taken the bus there.
Picking on this advert and calling it bull seems to be quite a stretch. |
Why is it harsh? They are advertising a job in "Qingdao", sure maybe Jiaonan is technically Qingdao, but it's 108km away according to smelly toufu. It's not what I would call "Qingdao" if it was a university town 30km's away, then that's ok because it's still Qingdao, but Jiaonan is 108km away. It's false advertising! |
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Opiate
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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It is in Qingdao and it is 108km from the center of the city. They tell you how long it will take to get there quite plainly. What are they being dishonest about? You then assumed they were lying about the travel time, which in fact they were not. They likely overestimated it in fact. The only bull in this thread was typed by you.
Please tell me what is deceitful about telling you where the school is and how long it will take you to get to the city center?
Perhaps you should note that nobody is siding with you on this and nobody is calling it BS but you.
*note* In my earlier post that went poof I did agree it was BS....then I wiped the beer from my eyes and reread the OP. |
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Lobster
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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I do live in Shanghai but it's well over 60 km. to some places in Pudong. You have to consider the scale of cities here. Some are just freaking huge. Of course, I wouldn't take a job that required me to commute 2 hours a day unless I was paid travel time. I work locally and can get to any of my jobs by motorcycle in 20 minutes or less. In the case of a place like Chongqing, the distance and time could be much greater. I think the point in this, and many other ads, is that you can go into the big city on the weekend and get back home again on the same day if you want to.
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therock
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Opiate wrote: |
| It is in Qingdao and it is 108km from the center of the city. . |
Jiaonan might be governed by Qingdao and technically is part of Qingdao, but it is not Qingdao city, if we use your logic Suzhou is in Shanghai, Tianjin is in Beijing.
I probably should have included the job title which was something on the lines of "teach in lovely Qingdao" Now that is misleading!! I wouldn't have bothered opening the advertisement if it said "teach in lovely Jiaonan" So I was misled, I was fooled into opening that advertisement. |
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Non Sequitur
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| therock wrote: |
| Opiate wrote: |
| It is in Qingdao and it is 108km from the center of the city. . |
Jiaonan might be governed by Qingdao and technically is part of Qingdao, but it is not Qingdao city, if we use your logic Suzhou is in Shanghai, Tianjin is in Beijing.
I probably should have included the job title which was something on the lines of "teach in lovely Qingdao" Now that is misleading!! I wouldn't have bothered opening the advertisement if it said "teach in lovely Jiaonan" So I was misled, I was fooled into opening that advertisement. |
Have you never seen an ad at home that is pure puffery? |
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Opiate
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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| therock wrote: |
| Opiate wrote: |
| It is in Qingdao and it is 108km from the center of the city. . |
Jiaonan might be governed by Qingdao and technically is part of Qingdao, but it is not Qingdao city, if we use your logic Suzhou is in Shanghai, Tianjin is in Beijing.
I probably should have included the job title which was something on the lines of "teach in lovely Qingdao" Now that is misleading!! I wouldn't have bothered opening the advertisement if it said "teach in lovely Jiaonan" So I was misled, I was fooled into opening that advertisement. |
Wow....so they did their job well and used effective and truthful advertising that made you actually look at the ad.....it then went on to explain quite clearly how far outside of the city center you'd be. Yes, those people are evil liars who use voodoo to make people look at their adverts!!!
Really am not so sure why this particular ad got under your skin as it seems far more honest than hundreds of others I have seen.
Let it go man. |
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voltaire
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Location: 'The secret of being boring is to say everything.'
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:56 am Post subject: Re: BS |
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| therock wrote: |
Just came across this job advertisement where they advertise to teach in Qingdao.
"we need 3 native english teachers urgently in a training school in a beautiful coastal city, qingdao,shandong province."
then later on in the advertisement they say
"Where you will stay: Jiaonan(where is near to Huangdao and it takes you about 1h20mins to City center of Qingdao. |
But have you considered...
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