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bludevil96
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| 1st Sgt Welsh wrote: |
Anyway I meant no offence and if certain people wish to take my example personally then I can't help that and that's not how my comment was intended. However, having said that, I can understand how people in relationships with a partner where there exists a fairly substantial age difference might be fed up with the stereo type. I certainly wasn't inferring that that my example is accurate in a 100% cases and if it doesn't apply to someone then that's great and good luck! However, I'm sure we can all agree, the example does often ring true and I've heard plenty of horror stories of besotted, delusional Westerners being literally taken to the cleaners by their local girlfriends  . |
Unfortunately, this stereotype does not only extend to only expats but also to locals. Pretty much anytime you see a young pretty girl with a guy that can pass for her father, he's got some money that local people don't have or can't make. A case in point is the condominium where I live. Many of the occupant owners are at least 10 yrs more than their wives. They drive CARS and they're pretty much unattractive people (the men). These people are not foreigners. To the Vietnamese, this is normal. They know that and EXPECT it. It's pretty much an expectation to have a pretty young wife when you have money here. When it comes to this subject, it's not only expats. |
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scuba066
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No worries mate, I was just trying to add a little humor. But seriously, I will be visiting Vietnam in December to investigate if I would like to live there.
On the other "young woman / middle aged man" topic. That is the way it goes. I lost several girlfriends while in my teens to older dudes with nicer cars and more cash. I didn't hear any "oh thats terrible" comments then.
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snollygoster
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:32 am Post subject: No money |
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I guess I can count myself lucky to have a devoted Viet wife, younger than me, who knows I have no money, yet still stays with me and whispers sweet nothings in my ear.
Not all Viet females are after the wallett. |
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The Mad Hatter
Joined: 16 May 2010
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:18 am Post subject: |
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| Is that the same as a wallet? |
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LettersAthruZ
Joined: 25 Apr 2010
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Location: North Viet Nam
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: Vietnam Voted Best Place on Earth 2012! |
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| imjustme wrote: |
Clincher #2: You go to work even for a state-run college, thinking it safe, and still the Chinese will rob you.
In Vietnam: too soon to tell, but I haven't been robbed yet. |
In China, they have a saying - "The face of deceit can be found in Ha Noi"
| The Mad Hatter wrote: |
Bet you said that Snolly.
You're a legend!
Snolly rocks........ definately! |
As I have read many of Snollygoster's postings, I have yet to see his opinion on all things Viet Nam change radically depending upon his employment circumstances......he's pretty consistent......unlike some others.... |
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inhanoi
Joined: 22 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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A-Z: "I have yet to see his opinion on all things Viet Nam change radically depending upon his employment circumstances...."
Oh, really? Perhaps you should read my earlier comment. Anyone can come on here and create any persona they want. Do you know him? Are you privy to his work history? Or is your knowledge of him based on what he's written about himself here? Is this thread about him? |
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1st Sgt Welsh
Joined: 13 Dec 2010
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Location: Bandar Seri Begawan, Brunei
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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| inhanoi wrote: |
Oh, really? Perhaps you should read my earlier comment. Anyone can come on here and create any persona they want. Do you know him? Are you privy to his work history? Or is your knowledge of him based on what he's written about himself here? Is this thread about him? |
Sorry inhanoi, I know this post wasn't directed at me, but I'll stick my oar in anyway  .
You are right, this thread isn't about any particular poster and, of course, people can project whatever personality they wish; being that this is the internet and all. Why on earth some adult would bother to do so, in all honesty, is something that I can't claim to really understand, but that's a separate discussion. Besides, IMO, people inventing fictional characters to troll this forum is definitely the exception rather than the rule.
In regards to snollygoster, I've never met him [or at least I don't think I have] and we have disagreed a few times on this board. Having said that, in my view, he is one of the more helpful and knowledgeable regular posters on this forum and I personally don't doubt for a second that his posts are genuine  . |
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snollygoster
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:58 am Post subject: sarcasm |
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Thank you Mad Hatter for pointing out my typos and any other negative you can find relating to me as you usually manage to do. I am certain readers are enthralled by your thoroughness and dedication to the smaller details of life.
In hanoi-many people in Vietnam DO actually know me, and approach me both on forums and off, for advice. I dont claim to know everything, but having lived in Vietnam for 12+ years gives me a little bit of local knowledge, which I am usually happy to share. If you find that unusual or somehow confronting, I am sorry. I just am willing to assist those seeking advice-I could just as easily say nothing and watch them crash and burn-Its of no personal consequence to me.
I notice you slag off at people creating an on line "persona"- I have had the same one for 12 years, and if creating an on-line persona is such a negative, why did you do it yourself?
Sarg. We have been around these traps quite a time together, and as you suggest we dont always agree on everything, but if I was looking for some advice, I sure as hell would listen up to those who have been around and probably made the mistakes I wish to avoid. Maybe our preparedness to give such advice is a waste of time and effort.
Just my one cents worth.
Box on others! |
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inhanoi
Joined: 22 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:20 am Post subject: |
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Well, this shouldn't deteriorate into a slagging or bragging match. You didn't understand my meaning. I meant that anyone can make any claim they want on here about themselves or their work history, there is no way to verify the truth unless they post their cv. Then once they've established these
"credentials," they can use false anecdotes to back up their personal opinions (some of which may influence new arrivals) as opposed to actual facts.
In other words I'm not referring to a user's avatar or username, but to what they write about themselves to recreate themselves on here. Not singling out any one individual. |
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bludevil96
Joined: 07 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:07 am Post subject: Re: Vietnam Voted Best Place on Earth 2012! |
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| LettersAthruZ wrote: |
In China, they have a saying - [i]"The face of deceit can be found in Ha Noi" |
That's pretty interesting considering China is THE biggest, most deceitful basta*d if you ask me. Take the situation with the power grab over the 2 islands. They say one thing and does completely the opposite. And I'm pretty sure that their press is telling the people that VN is stealing their islands. China should be the last country in the world to blame others for deceit.
On the subject of Snolly or other long time posters here like myself (well, at least 5 yrs), if anyone bothers to go back and look, they'll find that each of us don't agree with each other's position 100 % of the time in giving out any advice. It's no big deal; either you take it or you don't. There's no one shoe fits all here. I chimed in when the subject is interesting or over a personal experience that I hope would benefit the newbies. I have never for the life of me, thought about establishing some kind of "credentials" here. If re-telling an experience is a fact, then indeed, it is to that person. You can believe it or don't. With the ever changing laws that affect new arrivals, I would hope they have a sense to take note rather than a grain of salt. Besides, I hope that people who are here with the intention to teach, would have enough brains to decipher for themselves what is fact and what is sarcasm. I don't write about myself, I write about a personal experience or a relative fact that I know to be true. If it's an opinion, then it's stated as IMO. Did someone got misinformed about something stated as a fact? Btw, this is my only account here. |
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LettersAthruZ
Joined: 25 Apr 2010
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Location: North Viet Nam
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:24 am Post subject: |
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| inhanoi wrote: |
Well, this shouldn't deteriorate into a slagging or bragging match. You didn't understand my meaning. I meant that anyone can make any claim they want on here about themselves or their work history, there is no way to verify the truth unless they post their cv. Then once they've established these
"credentials," they can use false anecdotes to back up their personal opinions (some of which may influence new arrivals) as opposed to actual facts.
In other words I'm not referring to a user's avatar or username, but to what they write about themselves to recreate themselves on here. Not singling out any one individual. |
WHAT exactly I was pointing out, inhanoi, was that regardless of WHAT work history he claims, Snollygoster has pretty much held the same opinions on issues concerning ESL instructors in Viet Nam! That's all I'm saying.
This is as opposed to some others on this board who now (appear) to have a different set of circumstances regarding the capacity in which they are employed!
For your reference - http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=96615&highlight= |
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inhanoi
Joined: 22 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:34 am Post subject: |
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| Perhaps in your universe no one ever gets promoted or seeks advancement? |
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LettersAthruZ
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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| No, I've known many colleagues who have decided to enter into the school/centre management ranks.....but their opinions on things pertaining to employment in Viet Nam had always pretty much remained consistent. |
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kbot5
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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Imjustme, if you're still following your topic, I would like to add that I am new to teaching in Vietnam and absolutely love it. I'm fully aware of the emotional cycles a newcomer can fall prey to, and I'm hoping this awareness will allow me to move through them a little more gracefully, but I'm having a great time. I prefer some regions over others, but all situations considered, I wake up each morning excited to be here.
Thanks for posting the positive review! I second it! Cheers! |
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inhanoi
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Thank you, kbot, for the positive note. I hope things continue in the same vein. They have for me. |
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