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joey2001
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 Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 5:42 am Post subject: Some opinions about a job offer??? |
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When I applied for a new broadband line at China Telecom the other day another customer who sat next to me and overheard my conversation with an employee started a conversation in English with me. First she told me how good my Chinese was (the usual) then asked me if I was interested in a teaching position. She works for a school. I told her generally yes, since I was away for almost a year and had just arrived. So I could really use the money.
I told her I'm not a native speaker, she said no problem.
I told her I have no teaching certificate, she said no problem.
I said I'd only be here for about 2 months, again no problem.
That's when I started to get a little suspicious. I gave her my card and she said she'd get in touch with me, which she did yesterday on QQ. It turns out it's an official school (not language training center) and they need a foreigner to teach business English to high school students. I told her again clearly that while I have teaching experience I'm NOT a professional teacher, only have an "L" visa, would need a Z visa in order to work legally, and that I ask 200Y per hour.
I wonder what kind of school would offer to hire a stranger without a certificate for such a short term (I will be staying only for about another month and a half), with a contract and Z visa???? I never heard of anything like that.
They can't be that desperate for teachers because Zhongshan is now full of foreigners. Is it because I can speak Chinese? I doubt it!
Any ideas as to whether I should take this offer seriously? Originally I hadn't planned on teaching at all, as I will be here only till mid-September. But I do need the cash, so the opportunity wouldn't be bad.
She said she'd talk to her "leaders" and get back in touch. I'm 90% sure that job offer is a fake. Any ideas or similar experiences? |
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johntpartee
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"If something sounds too good to be true......"
But, then again, it could be real. It wouldn't hurt to see if they start processing the Z visa (meaning they pay for EVERYTHING, including your visa run to [probably] Hong Kong). |
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joey2001
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 6:24 am Post subject: |
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| johntpartee wrote: |
"If something sounds too good to be true......"
But, then again, it could be real. It wouldn't hurt to see if they start processing the Z visa (meaning they pay for EVERYTHING, including your visa run to [probably] Hong Kong). |
Hmmmm.... yes it COULD be. But with the current over-supply of foreign teachers in China I'm surprised they would go to all that trouble just to hire a non-native speaker without any actual certification. And Zhongshan isn't exactly a backwater place either. 
Well, I'll just wait and see what happens. Will leave China anyway next month, so I don't really care that much one way or the other..... |
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kungfuman
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:47 am Post subject: Re: Some opinions about a job offer??? |
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| joey2001 wrote: |
She said she'd talk to her "leaders" and get back in touch. I'm 90% sure that job offer is a fake. Any ideas or similar experiences? |
I have taken some part time jobs from people I have met on the street, at coffee shops, in the mall.
Sometimes they just need teachers for a few hours a week, sometimes 10 hours a week, and sometimes they can't legally hire people but they still have a need.
While caution is always a prerequisite in decision making there are times when things are legit. It's the summer now and most of the teachers in this town are GONE - it means demand is high. I turn down 99% of work offered now as I am lazy and in a few days I am on vacation outta China.
QUESTION: Did she ask the health of your kidneys and other vital organs or your blood type? Those are definite warning signs... |
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joey2001
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 10:05 am Post subject: Re: Some opinions about a job offer??? |
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| kungfuman wrote: |
QUESTION: Did she ask the health of your kidneys and other vital organs or your blood type? Those are definite warning signs... |
Nope! Do they actually ask questions like that? What for? |
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Kiwi303
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 12:55 pm Post subject: Re: Some opinions about a job offer??? |
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| joey2001 wrote: |
| kungfuman wrote: |
QUESTION: Did she ask the health of your kidneys and other vital organs or your blood type? Those are definite warning signs... |
Nope! Do they actually ask questions like that? What for? |
Whats your opinion of waking up in a bathtub full of ice with bits missing?   |
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kungfuman
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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^^^^  ^^^^ |
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The Edge
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LOL at somebody even thinking about accepting a job at a government school after...
a) meeting the person by chance.
b) not having any legal credentials / visa or RP.
There is one born every minute. |
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Miles Smiles
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| QUESTION: Did she ask the health of your kidneys and other vital organs or your blood type? Those are definite warning signs... |
That explains my sudden weight loss after a hospital stay a few years ago. |
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joey2001
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| The Edge wrote: |
LOL at somebody even thinking about accepting a job at a government school after...
a) meeting the person by chance.
b) not having any legal credentials / visa or RP.
There is one born every minute. |
I don't know if it's a government school, just that it's not a training center but a high school. Of course it could be private. As for the visa, I never said I would accept the job unless they can get me a Z visa. I was just wondering...
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| Whats your opinion of waking up in a bathtub full of ice with bits missing? |
Yeah, I heard stories like that as well. But aren't you being a little overly suspicious? If they wanted to steal organs why the hell would they need a foreigner for that? There are hundreds of easier ways, pick up drunks in bars, hookers, beggars, whatever....
However strange that job offer may sound, I definitely don't think THAT is what they are after, probably just looking for a foreigner willing to work for little pay and without a proper visa. And I NEVER said I'd accept if it's not legal. |
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NoBillyNO
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| If you want the job and need the money, proceed with caution as this is not an unusual situation. Make sure the pay structure is such that you will not over extend them credit and to insure timely payments. |
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joey2001
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| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:58 am Post subject: |
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| NoBillyNO wrote: |
| If you want the job and need the money, proceed with caution as this is not an unusual situation. Make sure the pay structure is such that you will not over extend them credit and to insure timely payments. |
I do need the money but will definitely not break any laws in China to earn some. I'll be back in Europe again next month anyway.
Well, I just chatted with her again on QQ. She had just talked to the school's HR department, and they told her that supposedly "foreign teachers don't need a Z visa to work in China"!
I'm sure she's not after my organs or something, but it seems the school has just recently opened and they have zero clue about the law regarding foreigners, and have never had a foreign teacher before. She sent me some document in Chinese (which I haven't read yet) according to which all we need is some kind of foreign expert certificate. So I asked well, can the school provide THAT? Guess what, she had no answer and needs to check again. I said no problem, since I need to go to the PSB this week to renew my L visa anyway, I will ask the officers there if it's true that I can legally work without a Z visa, only THEN will I consider teaching there. I asked for a letter of invitation from the school to show at the PSB, but would be very surprised if they'd send me one.
So, I guess so much for that! |
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johntpartee
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| I will ask the officers there if it's true that I can legally work without a Z visa |
Save you some time. You can't. |
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kungfuman
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This thread is funny.
PERHAPS the qq friend you have made is very new at her position or is a position that does not have any experience in working with foreigners. If that is true then she knows nothing.
People who don't work directly with foreigners often have zero knowledge regarding the laws regarding legally working in China.
As far as breaking laws - LOOK AROUND YOU - do laws really exist in this place?
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| foreign teachers don't need a Z visa to work in China" |
The above is a true statement. We need a resident permit. The z visa is a prerequisite to the resident permit.
if you want to work there make sure all the conditions are written down and to your liking. DON'T tell them your departure date as you may find that they suddenly can't pay you till 10 days after you are leaving.
I do work for one school - they pay me every friday. I like it that way. Other places pay on the 10th or 15 - I don't like that as much and if I am leaving China for the summer I will arrange them to pay me before I leave or I can't work.
PS I am not advocating breaking the law. As guests we should follow the laws and emulate the behavior of the nationals - and we know they follow the letter of the law. |
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joey2001
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| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:17 am Post subject: |
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| I will ask the officers there if it's true that I can legally work without a Z visa |
Save you some time. You can't. |
I know, but since I need to go there anyway it won't hurt to ask a single question, if not for myself but to let that school know that if they need foreign teachers in the future they CANNOT work without a Z visa. I mean, that woman really seemed friendly and kind enough, so why not at least give her some useful info? In fact I even feel a little sorry for her, as she really seems to want a teacher, badly enough to ask a complete stranger in a public place, but just doesn't know the law. She is just some young girl probably just out of college working in a new school and given the task to find foreign teachers. So at least I can help her a little so she'll know better in the future. |
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