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Miles Smiles
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I agree with all of the above.
I would seriously question this one:
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| Joint campus for up to 25 hours per week |
Those are weasel words for working at two campuses. You may have been assured that you'll be in the same class room for each class, but does that mean the same class room for each class at each campus?
It may sound like ridiculous parsing of words, but if you find yourself with a psychotic FAO or dean of Foreign Languages, you could find yourself royally scrod. |
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airapets
Joined: 22 Jul 2007
Posts: 78
Location: The Middle Kingdom
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| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:52 pm Post subject: Re: Post |
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| Actually I teach AP courses. Whether you think its true or not doesnt concern me terribly. |
Well, if you are teaching as many hours as you claim, how many hours are you spending grading work, assisting students, and preparing?
I went to a high school of 2000 students, and in my senior class there were two sections of AP English offered. Therefore, our teacher taught 10 hours a week and was very very busy the other periods of the day marking, assisting students(who, by the way, were all native speakers of English), and preparing classes.
If you are saying you work the full 40 hrs a week, it is plausible. Otherwise, I'll have to call the BS flag on you too. |
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fred13331
Joined: 20 Feb 2012
Posts: 108
Location: Southern China
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:49 am Post subject: Re: Post |
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| airapets wrote: |
| kimo50 wrote: |
| Actually I teach AP courses. Whether you think its true or not doesnt concern me terribly. |
Well, if you are teaching as many hours as you claim, how many hours are you spending grading work, assisting students, and preparing?
I went to a high school of 2000 students, and in my senior class there were two sections of AP English offered. Therefore, our teacher taught 10 hours a week and was very very busy the other periods of the day marking, assisting students(who, by the way, were all native speakers of English), and preparing classes.
If you are saying you work the full 40 hrs a week, it is plausible. Otherwise, I'll have to call the BS flag on you too. |
There is a rather pathetic tendancy on these boards to disregard any claim of decent pay as B/S. This poster was not bragging in anyway he was simply offering his position to give perspective to the original question.
personally his salary seems rather paltry, not a lot to brag about. god knows what you green-eyed monsters are earning. The fact is, there are a small, but not insignificant number of foreign teachers in China making a decent living. Just because this fact is unpalatable to some of you, does not make it a lie. I find it unbelievable that there are people out there earning 4,5,6,000 a month. I literally am gobsmacked, especially considering I was there 6 years ago!
It is relatively easy to find the good jobs, to work overtime, to make money in China. the fact that many cannot is surely a reflection on them, not a reason to attack those who do |
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GeminiTiger
Joined: 15 Oct 2004
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Location: China, 2005--Present
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:56 am Post subject: Re: Post |
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There is a rather pathetic tendancy...
...personally his salary seems rather paltry...
...green-eyed monsters are earning...
...earning 4,5,6,000 a month. I literally am gobsmacked...
..., especially considering I was there 6 years ago!
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Six years in China? How many accounts on Dave's ESL cafe do do you have? Because it looks like your account is not very old. Did you get deleted for earning too much?
12k for 12 hours, if that includes commute, home work (ap course), a lot of prep time, no house and lack of other bonuses turns into a 'regular' offer pretty quick, he didn't bother to tell us. Usually when guys post no details, it's because the devil is there. |
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time to teach
Joined: 03 Feb 2011
Posts: 73
Location: Bangkok
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:02 am Post subject: Re: Post |
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| 12k for 12 hours, if that includes commute, home work (ap course), a lot of prep time, no house and lack of other bonuses turns into a 'regular' offer pretty quick, he didn't bother to tell us. Usually when guys post no details, it's because the devil is there. |
After eight years on Dave's ESL Cafe I also wonder why some people never learn the difference between good and bad sentence structure.
Usually when guys post so many poorly constructed sentences it's because the fake degree is there.
In this case, the devil is in the grammatical details! |
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doogsville
Joined: 17 Nov 2011
Posts: 924
Location: China
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:45 am Post subject: Re: Post |
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Six years in China? How many accounts on Dave's ESL cafe do do you have? Because it looks like your account is not very old. Did you get deleted for earning too much?
Usually when guys post no details, it's because the devil is there. |
Is membership of Dave's a legal requirement of coming to teach in China? No, I didn't think so. I've been in China a lot longer than I've been posting on Dave's. Maybe he has too, think about it.
As to 'usually when guy's post no details etc'. How on earth would you know? Have you personally tracked down and verified the personal details of each and every poster? Or are you just making a huge assumption?
I'm still surprised by the number of human beings who seem to think that their own experience is some kind of template for every other human being's. 'If it hasn't happened to me then it can't be possible.' Really? Get over yourselves and face the fact that there are people out there getting a better deal than you.
As to the OP, skip it. There are better opportunities to be had. |
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fred13331
Joined: 20 Feb 2012
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Location: Southern China
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:08 am Post subject: Re: Post |
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| GeminiTiger wrote: |
| fred13331 wrote: |
There is a rather pathetic tendancy...
...personally his salary seems rather paltry...
...green-eyed monsters are earning...
...earning 4,5,6,000 a month. I literally am gobsmacked...
..., especially considering I was there 6 years ago!
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Six years in China? How many accounts on Dave's ESL cafe do do you have? Because it looks like your account is not very old. Did you get deleted for earning too much?
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It may come as a shock to you, but, membership of Daves ESL cafe is not required to get a visa in China. There are - shock horror - people who discover these boards after some time in China. Perhaps to your good self, long time membership at Dave's is some kind of badge of honour. Me? I don't have the time to post here everyday.
BTW the way, there are other boards around the net full of people expelled from daves for minor infringements. It is not difficult to be expelled from here. Hence your 'deleted for earning too much' barb was as lame as it was pointless. |
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Lobster
Joined: 20 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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He said he teaches 12 hours a week for 12k, not that he works 12 hours a week. If someone is doing AP, you just know that there will be a lot of form filling, record keeping, planning, testing and marking. So that 250rmb/hr is probably really down to the 150rmb/hr range, which is still ok for a full-time position with holidays and benefits.
I think that if someone can pull in 90/hr in smaller places and 120hr in larger ones, they're doing ok. But that means all hours worked, not just teaching hours. If an offered wage is much lower than that, one should reconsider unless money is not the prime factor when considering a position.
The discussion about whether membership here is mandatory for teachers in China, it's way off topic and isn't needed here. In addition to poor spelling and grammar, failure to stay on topic is also an academic faux pas. Smarten up!
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GeminiTiger
Joined: 15 Oct 2004
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Location: China, 2005--Present
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:25 pm Post subject: Re: Post |
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| doogsville wrote: |
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Six years in China? How many accounts on Dave's ESL cafe do do you have? Because it looks like your account is not very old. Did you get deleted for earning too much?
Usually when guys post no details, it's because the devil is there. |
As to 'usually when guy's post no details etc'. How on earth would you know? Have you personally tracked down and verified the personal details of each and every poster? Or are you just making a huge assumption?
I'm still surprised by the number of human beings who seem to think that their own experience is some kind of template for every other human being's. 'If it hasn't happened to me then it can't be possible.' Really? Get over yourselves and face the fact that there are people out there getting a better deal than you.
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Dude if your going to quote me do it correctly. You forgot the middle section that listed all the details I was discussing, IE the job offer. I was not referring at all to the account details, something that should have been obvious. Ask the grammar Nazi's what that double space means.
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GeminiTiger
Joined: 15 Oct 2004
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Location: China, 2005--Present
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:27 pm Post subject: Re: Post |
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BTW the way, there are other boards around the net full of people expelled from daves for minor infringements. It is not difficult to be expelled from here. Hence your 'deleted for earning too much' barb was as lame as it was pointless. |
Doesn't seem pointless at all. You obviously have a lot experience and knowledge in the subject just as I expected.
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GeminiTiger
Joined: 15 Oct 2004
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Location: China, 2005--Present
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: Post |
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| time to teach wrote: |
| GeminiTiger wrote: |
| 12k for 12 hours, if that includes commute, home work (ap course), a lot of prep time, no house and lack of other bonuses turns into a 'regular' offer pretty quick, he didn't bother to tell us. Usually when guys post no details, it's because the devil is there. |
After eight years on Dave's ESL Cafe I also wonder why some people never learn the difference between good and bad sentence structure.
Usually when guys post so many poorly constructed sentences it's because the fake degree is there.
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It's a simple list, next time I'll use numbers or bullets so any grammar Nazi's won't have to launch an attack. At least you quoted me properly. Props. |
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GeminiTiger
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Obviously this topic was blown way off course long before I arrived and for my part in adding to that I am regretful. I simply see Fred as a guy bragging needlessly when calling a possibly questionable offer 'paltry' and other terms showing how great he is in a thread that was never should have never been about that claim. Gobsmacked, indeed.
As to that claim, the devil is in the details. Real or make believe it all depends on the details. I personally hope that it's as good as presented and I never said it wasn't possible.
As to the OP, the advice is the same. The devil is in the details. You need to investigate further or walk away into a more standard contract.
It seems the devil is everywhere and I don't even believe in the devil. |
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NoBillyNO
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:28 am Post subject: |
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Is it ever. |
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