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What do businessmen want?

 
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DirtGuy



Joined: 28 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:48 am    Post subject: What do businessmen want? Reply with quote

Aside from making money, what are they looking for regarding English lessons? Writing business letter, etiquette, public speaking, etc.? I'm hoping to do privates with business people and I want to pick up some relevant books while I have the chance. This brings up my next question; Is it better to buy relevant books from a bookstore in the States and adapt your lessons or rely on EFL text books geared to business people?

Thanks.

DirtGuy
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7969



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have to teach any writing at all, or if that's what some of your students want, then a good business writing handbook would be useful. I use one, and I also use a proofreading textbook with lots of basic proofreading exercises (a weakness I've found with students in a writing class). I bought these books and others on Amazon and had them shipped to China.
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Babala



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use the Business Builder series by Paul Emmerson. There are great worksheets in there. The series covers the subjects that your students will want to learn including meeting language, presentations, telephone skills and negotiations.
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Mr. English



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of them want to focus on improving their speaking and listening skills, as these are typically significantly weaker than their reading and writing skills. They often use their reading and writing skills on a daily basis, communicating will foreigners via email and occasionally writing something more substantial, but in most cases do not speak English with anyone at all other than you, the tutor, and are hopelessly lost on the occasion that they have to attend meetings where English is spoken. I rarely use books with these people; not to say books are not useful, rather that they refuse all suggestions. I have found what works best, if you can, is to get them to bring material from the job. If they write a report, get them to give you a presentation in English. If they do some research, the same. If they attended an all-day meeting last week, describe what is was about in detail.
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Lobster



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They have different needs. Why don't you just ask them what they want and what tasks they want to specifically work on? Telephone? Meetings? E-mails? Presentations? Travel?

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GeminiTiger



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lobster wrote:
Why don't you just ask them what they want and what tasks they want to specifically work on?

Because he is not in China.

OP - Businessmen in China are not like you might imagine after watching a a Japanese or Hong Kong flick, in fact most of them don't care to learn English at all, it's the gophers (low teir business people) that learn English to translate. Of course that's not the way it is all the time but that's the way it usually it is. I think Chinese people who learn English very well don't get nearly enough perks or pay.

Also if you just need a job your just 100 times more likely to be teaching kids of various ages.
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JoeThePlumber



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Businessmen in China? I think most are interested in meeting the cute 24-year old blond laowai teacher that just came over from America.
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GeminiTiger



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoeThePlumber wrote:
Businessmen in China? I think most are interested in meeting the cute 24-year old blond laowai teacher that just came over from America.


Are you suggesting Dirtguy becomes Dirtgirl?
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Brian Hugh



Joined: 07 Jan 2012
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Economist magazine is a good resourse. You may have rewrite the articles and put it in simpler English.
The most difficult thing for Chinese people to do is going to a foreign restaurant( to0 many decisions)
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DirtGuy



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teaching children? Oh, no, not even in my worst nightmares! I guess I'm going to have to get over this and at least deal with high school age students.

I have been told by foreign businessmen that the singe biggest problem they face is trying to understand what goes on in a meeting. I've used the "Whaddaya Say" course before and it has helped, but I'm always open to suggestion. Anyone had luck with this?

Thank you everyone for your suggestions. Well, maybe not everyone as I'm not going to turn into a 20 something blonde anytime soon.

DG
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Babala



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An important topic to do with them is diplomatic language both with speaking and e-mail writing. They tend to be much too direct.
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vashdown2



Joined: 14 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the classes I've given to businessmen/ woman in Paris, I have always used the ITH International Hearld Trivune, or just downloaded articles from the internet that pertain to his/her field...

Always had lots of clients in finance- and some in marketing. They want to be able to discuss their business in English. Teach them vocab for their business, if they don't know it already. Have them bring in reports they are working on, or Power Point presentations, etc...
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Miles Smiles



Joined: 07 Jun 2010
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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... ITH International Hearld Trivune


You mean International Herald Tribune?

As said before, you need to talk to the HR director who sets up the program.

I can't think of the names right now but there are two Business English proficiency tests, one of which uses a Cambridge publication. In it, many different areas are covered. Among them are: general business terms, methods of interoffice communication, reading comprehension, the different ways in which people are employed (hot seat-- hot desk-/ flex time, etc), making introductions, making small talk, etc.. Much of it is geared toward reading comprehension, understanding the western workplace, increasing business vocabulary and concepts, and generally, getting them ready to embrace western business culture. (This was the usual case in my experience. I worked with international companies).

Find out what the HR director wants you to accomplish before you even suggest or begin a course of action. If the HR director just wants to promote a business English culture (which is all that 6 of my 8 corporate training gigs required) just get the people to talk about themselves, and to talk TO each other. Give them interesting role-play situational prompts for dialog. If you can engage these folks, it'll be the most fun and rewarding teaching experience you'll ever have.

A comment was made that the upper management people don't get involved in this sort of thing. It's true. One MAY meet an upper management person, but he won't attend the sessions.
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