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boomerexpat
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 Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:53 am Post subject: work visa timing question |
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A recruiter has told me, in response to my question about the arrangement for the work visa, that:
"the application will be in before starting. then it can take any amount of time (different every year). but as long as the government has all the application materials, that's all that matters."
True or false? |
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Miles Smiles
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:58 am Post subject: |
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If you had used the search function or read just a little farther down on the page, you'd have seen this:
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If your school term begins in the beginning of September, Expect your school to send the letter of invitation at about the end of the second week of July or the first week of August. They won't send it sooner for two reasons:
1. It's a good possibility that no one will be in the office before then.
2. They don't want you to arrive too soon and have nowhere to stay, and they don't want you too arrive early only to have the visa expire before anyone can apply for your residence permit.
Why in h3ll isn't there a sticky on this topic? Every *beep*ing week somebody asks this *beep* *beep* *beep*ing question.
I don't intend to be a *beep*ed *beep* *beep*ing *beep* but somebody should make this a *beep*ing sticky. |
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boomerexpat
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:18 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Miles Smiles"]
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If your school term begins in the beginning of September, Expect your school to send the letter of invitation at about the end of the second week of July or the first week of August. They won't send it sooner for two reasons:
1. It's a good possibility that no one will be in the office before then.
2. They don't want you to arrive too soon and have nowhere to stay, and they don't want you too arrive early only to have the visa expire before anyone can apply for your residence permit.
Why in h3ll isn't there a sticky on this topic? Every *beep*ing week somebody asks this *beep* *beep* *beep*ing question.
I don't intend to be a *beep*ed *beep* *beep*ing *beep* but somebody should make this a *beep*ing sticky. |
that doesn't seem to answer my question though. This is mid-August and it doesn't say whether the residence permit has to be secured before you start or the application just has to be sent in to the government. I've read that some people get rejected. |
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GeminiTiger
Joined: 15 Oct 2004
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Location: China, 2005--Present
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:48 am Post subject: |
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Last year my visa was two weeks expired before I got a new one. The FAO was a newbie and the application had been further delayed because she didn't bring all the schools documents. It was a stressful situation feeling like I'm illegal but in fact, it's nothing to worry about. The reason being is the application is in the PSB's hands before the old visa expires, they obviously know about and are still working to renew it. The visa guy at the PSB was also very friendly and told me it was nothing to worry about.
As for what's legal or illegal it's best to not even think in these terms in China.  |
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boomerexpat
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:53 am Post subject: |
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| GeminiTiger wrote: |
As for what's legal or illegal it's best to not even think in these terms in China. |
I can both see the truth in and get concerned about that statement. So, you think that if I go there on a tourist visa and start work right after the residency has been applied for that China being China I won't be looking at expulsion or jail time? |
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wangdaning
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:13 am Post subject: |
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| boomerexpat wrote: |
| GeminiTiger wrote: |
As for what's legal or illegal it's best to not even think in these terms in China. |
I can both see the truth in and get concerned about that statement. So, you think that if I go there on a tourist visa and start work right after the residency has been applied for that China being China I won't be looking at expulsion or jail time? |
But to get a residence permit for work you need to enter on a Z visa, or be transferring a previous RP for work (not all RPs are created equally). If they are applying for the z visa invitation letter you should, legally, not be working. If you enter on a z visa and are waiting for the RP to be given, then I think it is legally ok to begin work.
So, the recruiter is not being honest. Having an application in for a Z visa does not make it ok. If you have entered on a Z visa and are waiting for the RP, maybe ok (not sure).
Don't expect any employer in China who gets you here on an L visa to ever make you legal (they might, but it is better to expect they wont). My current job made me legal, sent me to HK (but I got lucky after getting screwed by my old employer).
If you don't want or have to be in this situation, I would say don't do it. If you are willing to see how it plays out, and pay the cost if it doesn't, go for it. |
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boomerexpat
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:04 am Post subject: |
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| wangdaning wrote: |
But to get a residence permit for work you need to enter on a Z visa, or be transferring a previous RP for work (not all RPs are created equally). If they are applying for the z visa invitation letter you should, legally, not be working. If you enter on a z visa and are waiting for the RP to be given, then I think it is legally ok to begin work.
So, the recruiter is not being honest. Having an application in for a Z visa does not make it ok. If you have entered on a Z visa and are waiting for the RP, maybe ok (not sure).
Don't expect any employer in China who gets you here on an L visa to ever make you legal (they might, but it is better to expect they wont). My current job made me legal, sent me to HK (but I got lucky after getting screwed by my old employer).
If you don't want or have to be in this situation, I would say don't do it. If you are willing to see how it plays out, and pay the cost if it doesn't, go for it. |
You seem to be confirming some of my fears on this issue. The job sounds right but going there on a tourist visa raises a lot of alarm bells. I would hate to end up in a bad situation my first time out, especially one that might result in my being forbidden to work in China again. |
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GeminiTiger
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:52 am Post subject: |
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Let me clarify.
You should not enter this country except on a z-visa to work.
After that our school must process your resident permit.
Maybe I misunderstood your question.
My visa expires September 1st 2012, however I won't get back to my school until the 26th. Although my visa will expire while in the hands of PSB yet again this year, I'm not concerned with it and neither is anyone else concerned with my situation. I've already got the medical and FEC, it's just a matter of turning it all in now.
In short, while I don't think anyone should be overly concerned with the law neither should you flaunt it knowingly. |
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boomerexpat
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 11:09 am Post subject: |
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| GeminiTiger wrote: |
Let me clarify.
You should not enter this country except on a z-visa to work.
After that our school must process your resident permit.
Maybe I misunderstood your question.
My visa expires September 1st 2012, however I won't get back to my school until the 26th. Although my visa will expire while in the hands of PSB yet again this year, I'm not concerned with it and neither is anyone else concerned with my situation. I've already got the medical and FEC, it's just a matter of turning it all in now.
In short, while I don't think anyone should be overly concerned with the law neither should you flaunt it knowingly. |
I think you got my question. They want me to enter on a tourist and they will apply for a residence before I start but after I arrive. I've never heard that was legal therefore my initial post.
I already have the medical from Thailand on the Chinese form and the FBI background check apostille. Just don't have the right visa to enter it seems. The other schools, while not offering deals quite as good as this, all want to bring me in on a z visa. |
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GeminiTiger
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 11:49 am Post subject: |
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| it's like buying an iphone on the street for 2000 rmb instead of 5000 in the store. it might be fake, stolen, broken somehow or something else. i recommend going the z-visa route for countless reasons posted countless times around here. |
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teachingld2004
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:37 pm Post subject: visa |
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I got my contract first week in July.
Sent the signed contract and medical form back the second week in July
got the invitation letter the last week in July.
Went to the consulate the first week in Aughst and picked up the visa the next day (had to pay 20 dollars extra for one day service, but wanted it done in case there were any glitches. No problem and booked my ticket for Aug 21. Job starts September 1st.
BTW, all these documents were sent back and forth by express ail. |
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