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[bludevil96]

[vabeckele]

Do you really believe this stuff you are writing?

How is it that Vietnam lives on one tenth of the income of developed nations?

And while we are on that topic, why is it that if this 'system' is so great, that when it comes to collaborating between countries it doesn't work? Surely working for the people should transcend borders, right? North Korea, China, and Vietnam are such CLOSE friends - Oh and let us not mention Russia.

Yes, there is corruption at the top, in every country. The difference is the BEST and only the BEST corporations can operate at that level in an open economy. Compare that with what's going on here and the difference is, well...different. Isn't it clear also that no 'system' is perfect, but I know which allows for innovative change and encourages this behaviour.

You are either on the rise or fall. You maybe at the top now, but wait and see what happens when things begin to slide. Alternatively, you may be at the bottom; lets also see what happens when you begin to rise.

All I see is the arrogance of someone perceiving himself to be at the top of the totem pole - are you a local?

[vabeckele]

- Phương �n 1: Quan hệ tiền lương tối thiểu (nh�n vi�n phục vụ bậc 1) � trung b�nh (chuy�n vi�n bậc 1) � tối đa (chuy�n gia cao cấp bậc 3) theo c�ch tiếp cận tương quan với khu vực thị trường l� 1 � 3,2 � 1,5. T�nh theo mức lương tối thiểu 830 ngh�n đồng/th�ng th� c� mức lương thấp nhất � lương trung b�nh - lương tối đa tương ứng l� 830 ngh�n đồng � 2,656 triệu đồng � 12,450 triệu đồng/th�ng.



- Phương �n 2: Quan hệ tiền lương tối thiểu (nh�n vi�n phục vụ bậc 1) � trung b�nh (chuy�n vi�n bậc 1) � tối đa (chuy�n gia cao cấp bậc 3) theo c�ch tiếp cận mức độ phức tạp lao động l� 1 � 3,5 � 15. T�nh theo mức lương tối thiểu 830 ngh�n đồng/th�ng th� c� mức lương thấp nhất � lương trung b�nh - lương tối đa tương ứng l� 830 ngh�n đ�ng � 2,905 triệu đồng � 12,45 triệu đồng/th�ng.

Translated: All govt. officers, including the prime minister, ranges from 2.656.0 to 12.450.0.

Sometimes you will read salaries may ten fold if the officer is considered 'responsible'.

Not enough to send 3 kids to WESTERN SCHOOLS.

[bludevil96]

Do you really believe this stuff you are writing?

Er, yes I do as a matter of fact.

How is it that Vietnam lives on one tenth of the income of developed nations?

On an economic level, VN is different in that it doesn't run on a credit system. Either you own your house or you don't. There's hardly any 20/30 yr mortgage on a house. Even many of the poor have a "house". Goods at the micro economic level are at least affordable enough that most can afford it. So are we talking the micro and macro economy? VN is #1 in the world in coffee exporting, #2 in rice, between #5 to #7 for cashews. Top 10 in rubber. Although it is a "developing" nation, it's not doing that bad by any standards.

And while we are on that topic, why is it that if this 'system' is so great, that when it comes to collaborating between countries it doesn't work? Surely working for the people should transcend borders, right? North Korea, China, and Vietnam are such CLOSE friends - Oh and let us not mention Russia.

You'll have to ask the Chinese that question. All arguments in regional conflicts are centered around China. China v. Japan, China V.Taiwan, China v. Vietnam, China v. Philippines, China v. Singapore, China v. Malaysia, etc. Why? Because the PRC is one crazy, lying, cheating, and stealing conglomerate. And btw, they're not "close" friends. Just because they're Asians don't make them friends. Read each history and you'll see i.e. Japan v. China, China v. Vietnam, Japan in Vietnam, Japan in China, etc. If you studied Vietnamese history like I have, you'll know that NONE of these countries get along. There's a reason why Vietnam has more than one independence day. That is one of the reasons why the ASEAN body was formed; to settle their differences.

Yes, there is corruption at the top, in every country. The difference is the BEST and only the BEST corporations can operate at that level in an open economy. Compare that with what's going on here and the difference is, well...different. Isn't it clear also that no 'system' is perfect, but I know which allows for innovative change and encourages this behaviour.

Really? Did I say VN's the best or perfect system? Did I say the U.S. is the best or perfect? I never said any such "system" is better than the other. For example, The U.S. is a "free market" economy in theory but it has never practiced free market. Even the NAFTA signed by B.Clinton wasn't really a free trade agreement since there were price controls and tariffs against Canadian imports and agricultural goods. Currently, there's tariffs on Vietnamese catfish and rubbers that gets imported into the U.S. to protect local catfish producing farmers and others...on and on. Do we have comprehension problems?

You are either on the rise or fall. You maybe at the top now, but wait and see what happens when things begin to slide. Alternatively, you may be at the bottom; lets also see what happens when you begin to rise.

Isn't it obvious that all things will rise and fall; that's called a cycle and a perfect economic cycle rises and falls. The Frenchman Fran�ois de la Rochefoucauld said, "The only thing that's constant in life is change" and that couldn't any more truthful.

All I see is the arrogance of someone perceiving himself to be at the top of the totem pole - are you a local?[/quote]

What exactly are you attacking here? If you re-read my writing, it's obvious that I'm pointed out what everyone here knows, which is that corruption is everywhere but here, it's in your face; you know what you're getting. Sending your children overseas is something only very rich Vnamese can afford to do, not government officials, unless they're doing something that's unethical. But within the concept of this "system", there are people who seems to be ethical and moral, and we need to acquiesce that such individuals exist. Ng.T.Dung is by far the most powerful man in Vietnam, period. He sits on top of the totem pole here and everyone reports to him. Sang is the second in command. The salary of the lowest prime minister is almost 11 million vnd on paper but their tittle comes with perks. Dung and Sang have much higher salaries in reality and that is not disclosed to the public. Even the captain of a Naval ship in Vietnam makes 50 million a month (I've read not too long ago) so I would think the 1st and 2nd in command are much higher. My guess is that it's closer to 200 million per month.

For the record, I'm from Hartford, Connecticut, USA and an American; next to New York, if that matters, but how being a local has anything to do with this conversation is beyond me. You're really barking up the wrong tree.

[bludevil96]

[vabeckele]

That would translate into, option 1 and option 2, not, as you write, 'district'.

To be honest I can't be bothered to take up your comments point by point - You seem to be a bit muddled.

Perhaps I misunderstood your comments on arrogance and stopping the, 'shit'.

I wish you well.

[vabeckele]

[bludevil96]

[vabeckele]

[Oh My God]

Guys we need to calm it down a bit or Mr. K is going to lock this thread.

I think you've both made good points that are useful to the newbies here and indeed, things aren't always rosy and things aren't always bad.

Vietnam is the home of my wife, my daughter and myself. I both hate it and love it here.

[LettersAthruZ]

[inhanoi]

A-Z: "there are a LOT of rewards to living here that, whilst not obvious and apparent at the moment, can eventually be seen after a few years here...."

And for some of us fortunate ones, after a few months, and even after a few minutes... sorry you had to wait a few years.