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Asked to show up for free before your contract begins?

 
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wonderingjoesmith



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:24 pm    Post subject: Asked to show up for free before your contract begins? Reply with quote

Has this happened to anyone in the country? How have you dealt with it?
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rogerwilco



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Asked to show up and get oriented with the school and city, or asked to show up and give classes for free ?

Many schools ask you to show up a few days before the contract begins so that they have evidence that you will actually be there when classes start.

I can understand why a school would not want new teachers to arrive the day that classes and the contract begins.
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wonderingjoesmith



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry I meant to show up for the introduction in the classrooms as well as in the office. So, do teachers and their superiors discuss their programs and "orientations" in offices for free and before THE FIRST DAY?
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rogerwilco



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wonderingjoesmith wrote:
Sorry I meant to show up for the introduction in the classrooms as well as in the office. So, do teachers and their superiors discuss their programs and "orientations" in offices for free and before THE FIRST DAY?



Are you at a uni, or training center, or what ?
My guess is that you are at a training center.
My uni contract starts today, classes start Sept. 10.
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7969



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You working at a university? If so then your contract probably commenced today, even though it's a weekend. It's normal to have a meeting or two before the term starts just to make sure newcomers know what they're supposed to do, where to go, and maybe have a photo taken or smth like that.
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kev7161



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Location: Suzhou, China

PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do orientation and training at my school during the last week of August every year, both for new teachers and returning ones. The returning teachers are actually paid for July and August (1/2 salary, but still pay for no work at all), but they are the most difficult to actually come and put in an appearance. Each year we have something new going on and this year we had several new things and changes from the previous year.

New teachers need to get settled into their apartments, their classrooms, get their teaching materials, start putting together initial lesson plans and so on, but even then, it's sometimes a struggle to get all teachers to show up.

I keep telling the guy in charge of hiring to draw up a contract from maybe August 25 (not September 1) to June 30 (but returning teachers are already contracted from July 1 to June 30) and to make it mandatory for all teachers to be there, but every year we have the same problems of a couple of missing teachers. Then there is a mad scramble for them to get ready and learn the ropes.

I told our hiring guy to offer new teachers a pay incentive for that extra week and he told me that most companies (or schools?) make the incoming Chinese employee pay for their training!! So I don't know. Technically, if your contract starts on September first, then I think you actually aren't expected to be here until then, but checking in with your hiring party would be nice.
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JamesD



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kev's got it. Are you going to get off the plane at 7:00 and walk into a classroom at 8?
I'd sure like to get over jet lag, meet coworkers/staff, and learn something about the setup before starting work. (Especially if I've never been in the country before.)
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kungfuman



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My first class is September 3 (tomorrow). I came to the school 5 days ago to make sure all my books were there and to review teaching plans with the two teaching assistants.

Sure, I could show up the first day of class and say "Hello I Am Here, What Exactly Am I teaching Today???" But I think some preparation is better.

It's not really "free" if you are not teaching a class; it's more like getting acclimated to the school and material.

Even though I taught at this school for a month before the summer my classes are different and maybe so are the students.
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teachingld2004



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 6:58 am    Post subject: working for free before a class starts. Reply with quote

Don't you want to get to your job a week (if you can) before the job starts?

Don't you want to fix your apartment, clean it, go shopping, look around?

If you come from out of the country, don't you want to sleep for 2 days?

Do you expect to come off the plane (like some one said) and then go straight to work?

Start the new job with a clear head, a relaxed body, and a good attitude.
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wonderingjoesmith



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I want to, and I do not have such unreasonable expectations. I have come with a clear head and way before the semester. What I was uncomfortable about was the three-day unpaid classroom parade and office meetings about issues that could have been done by phone and via internet. My semester is well outlined and formally prepared.

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I keep telling the guy in charge of hiring to draw up a contract from maybe August 25 (not September 1) to June 30 (but returning teachers are already contracted from July 1 to June 30) and to make it mandatory for all teachers to be there, but every year we have the same problems of a couple of missing teachers. Then there is a mad scramble for them to get ready and learn the ropes.
This is what I am talking about.

Thank you all for contributing on the topic
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7969



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A couple of early meetings isn't a bad idea. If a number of teachers are new then a meeting helps everyone get on the same page easier and faster than sending out a bunch of emails (and some people are notorious for either not checking or pretending they never saw an email, same same for not answering the phone). Plus putting a face to a name is important. We usually have one meeting a year at the start but since we have low turnover here we usually just have a short chat, take a photo and we're on our way. So far this year no mention of such.
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dean_a_jones



Joined: 03 Jul 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wonderingjoesmith wrote:
What I was uncomfortable about was the three-day unpaid classroom parade and office meetings about issues that could have been done by phone and via internet.


Sadly, most places (especially universities) are not geared to maximise efficiency here. Often you will get dragged in for minor matters which could be sorted by email/phone, or which only take a few minutes and don't need to be sorted immediately, so not worthy of an special trip in.

This is a direct consequence of the "how high?"/greasy pole Chinese workplace, where often staff are unwilling to challenge such requests for fear it will cause them to be seen as trouble. Also those one step up have to deal with the same stuff from their superiors, so don't mind dishing it out/enjoy it as it shows their place with the hierarchy. But I am not actually that cynical, don't think it is all the latter, and just find people terribly disorganised and indifferent to the waste of time that causes others (and foreign teachers can be the same in this respect).

If you want to avoid this (at least as much as possible) then you need to be a bit proactive in ensuring things are sorted as simply as possibly when they can be, and when asked to show up for something, finding out the specifics. Having said that sometimes they just want you in for stuff, and that's life, however boring it is.
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