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wantok
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 Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 1:01 am Post subject: Recruiting non-native English-speaking teachers: Rationale |
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From "Dr." Khalid Al-Seghayer, a Saudi "academic":
Non-native English-speaking teachers
1. have experienced firsthand of what their students are going through
2. are expected to exploit their successful learning experiences to improve their teaching methods
3. have a higher degree of patience with learners
4. bring to the classroom not only English as a foreign language but also various cultures instead of the mainstream American or English cultures only
5. are easy for the students to identify with
6. have better insight into the structure and use of the language than do the native English-speaking teachers
http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentid=20120904135042 |
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 1:29 am Post subject: |
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Naturally over-generalizations, but I can't say that I disagree with his points...
VS |
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cmp45
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:09 am Post subject: |
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I would also tend to agree with these points, although as VS states ...are generalizations...I may also add one more...generalization...The fact that non-native speakers are generally cheaper and easier to hire than native speakers.
The biggest challenge for non-native speakers (Arab teachers) is their reliance of L1 in the classroom. |
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fledex
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:53 am Post subject: |
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| yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes to cmp45 as well |
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Central Command
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:58 am Post subject: |
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| 7. They work CHEAP!!! |
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scot47
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:11 am Post subject: |
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| Saudi students expect to have a "khawaja" in front of them not a Filipino or a Hindi ! Racist ? That is the way it is ! |
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Linguist
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:32 am Post subject: |
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| What's Khawaja ? |
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scot47
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:36 am Post subject: |
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| Persian word for a Frank or Honky. Not disrespectful though - in fact an honorific like "Sahib" or "Bwana" Archaic - like me. |
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Gulezar
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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3. have a higher degree of patience with learners
Not always. I've known some non-native English teachers who were disgusted with the lack of discipline that some English language students display. After all, if you have struggled and worked very hard to hone your English skills to a high caliber, then you might not be very sympathetic to those who don't take their English studies seriously. |
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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| scot47 wrote: |
| Persian word for a Frank or Honky. Not disrespectful though - in fact an honorific like "Sahib" or "Bwana" Archaic - like me. |
I learned it as an Arabic word in Egypt (perhaps borrowed)... meaning foreigner... not Archaic and still used every day... and definitely NOT an honorific. 
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johnslat
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| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:59 am Post subject: |
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Dear VS,
I agree about its not being an honorific - I was rather surprised that scot47 called it that. |
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cmp45
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| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 3:33 am Post subject: |
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| Gulezar wrote: |
3. have a higher degree of patience with learners
Not always. I've known some non-native English teachers who were disgusted with the lack of discipline that some English language students display. After all, if you have struggled and worked very hard to hone your English skills to a high caliber, then you might not be very sympathetic to those who don't take their English studies seriously. |
of course it is a generalization,...I also have wittnessed Arab teachers in the process of either kicking students out of the classroom or yelling at the students. Saudi English teachers are notoriously strict.
I also think non-native English teachers would more than likely be more strict and be less willing to put up with the typical nonsense many students display in the classroom for the very reason you mentioned Gulezar.
Perhaps what they mean by a higer degree of patience is not about disapline but rather dealing with students' ability to grasp the target language....after having to repeat for example, an explanation in a classroom more than 5 times...who would display more patience non-native speaking teachers or native speaking teachers???  |
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trapezius
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disapline  |
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cmp45
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| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:25 am Post subject: |
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| trapezius wrote: |
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okay...discipline ! go pick on Scott47...he makes way more spelling mistakes than I do  |
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trapezius
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His mistakes all seem to be careless keystrokes (hitting adjacent keys), and putting spaces in wrong places, for example, "Hell ohow arw tou".
Disapline, though, I can't see how hitting adjacent keys to the correct keys could result in that  |
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