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wantok
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posh
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So if they can't drive (badly) around all day like morons, what the hell are they going to do with themselves? It will be like depriving the yanks of burgers. And what about that other favourite pastime - leaving water taps running for hours on end until the Bangladeshi cleaner/maid turns it off and spoils the fun? I feel for them: a man needs a hobby. |
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mashkif
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:45 am Post subject: Re: This may concentrate a few minds in the Kingdom. |
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wantok wrote: |
If Citigroup is right, Saudi Arabia will cease to be an oil exporter by 2030, far sooner than previously thought. |
If only, if only, if only!!!
I for one live for the day the Arabs run out of oil. Their discovering oil was one of the greatest tragedies of global proportions. All that money, and they did absolutely nothing commendable with it.
Once it's dried up, the first thing that will happen is that they'll gradually but rapidly revert (hehehe...pun intended) to the quality of life of sub-Saharan Africa. Then out of the ashes they'll have to acquire the knowledge, skills and values that the rest of the world did centuries ago.
The most salutary probable consequence is that they'll have to stop exporting the poisonous Wahabism the world over.
Rejoice and be glad!  |
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2buckets
Joined: 14 Dec 2010 Posts: 515 Location: Middle East
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mashkif +1
"100 years ago they were in the desert with their sheep and cutting off each other's heads, and 100 years from now they'll be doing the same thing."
From the movie Syriana. |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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I'm not sure that I would consider Citigroup the world's greatest authority on oil production or consumption... I wouldn't even consider them the world's authority on banking...
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johnslat

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I'd be a lot more comfortable discussing this news item if I had access to the report on which it's based. Unfortunately, none of the dozens of references to it that I found on the web included a link to the source, which is probably on one of Citi's client-only sites. The Bloomberg and Daily Telegraph articles seemed to be the most complete, with the latter including a couple of charts from the report."
"The Saudi analysis from Citigroup proposed a fascinating scenario, with many interesting implications, although I'd argue that it's also subject to the simple advice of Herb Stein that "If something cannot go on forever, it will stop." By coincidence, it's also relevant to the energy debate underway between the US presidential campaigns. Although it's highly uncertain that Saudi Arabia's oil exports will dry up by 2030, we shouldn't assume such an outcome to be impossible, any more than we should base US energy policy on the outdated assumption that it's impossible for us to come close to eliminating the need for oil imports from outside North America. It might be uncertain whether we have sufficient resources accessible with the latest technology to reach that goal, but it is essentially certain that the growing but still tiny contribution of renewable energy and the eventual conversion of the US vehicle fleet to electricity couldn't get us there for multiple decades."
For the full article:
http://theenergycollective.com/geoffrey-styles/110476/what-if-saudi-arabia-became-oil-importer
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wantok
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posh
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:46 am Post subject: Re: This may concentrate a few minds in the Kingdom. |
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mashkif wrote: |
Their discovering oil was one of the greatest tragedies of global proportions. |
They didn't find it, the Americans did. Tom Barger to be exact. |
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gelynch52ph
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:57 am Post subject: Re: This may concentrate a few minds in the Kingdom. |
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mashkif wrote: |
wantok wrote: |
If Citigroup is right, Saudi Arabia will cease to be an oil exporter by 2030, far sooner than previously thought. |
If only, if only, if only!!!
I for one live for the day the Arabs run out of oil. Their discovering oil was one of the greatest tragedies of global proportions. All that money, and they did absolutely nothing commendable with it.
Once it's dried up, the first thing that will happen is that they'll gradually but rapidly revert (hehehe...pun intended) to the quality of life of sub-Saharan Africa. Then out of the ashes they'll have to acquire the knowledge, skills and values that the rest of the world did centuries ago.
The most salutary probable consequence is that they'll have to stop exporting the poisonous Wahabism the world over.
Rejoice and be glad!  |
I have often speculated that the day after the oil tap runs dry all the Filipinos will cut the roofs from all the land yachts. Bangalis will fill them with dirt. Chinese (Tibetans actually) will plant flowers and nobody will be left to water them so all the flowers will die. Even if someone waters the flowers the water will run out as soon as the Korean built desalinization plants fail and no Saudi is able or willing to fix them.
Camel farmers will be the new mogul class. |
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cairanya
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Am I the only one who cannot wait for the ice caps to melt so that Norway and Greenland become as powerful as Saudi is now? |
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gelynch52ph
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:26 am Post subject: Norway & Greenland |
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cairanya wrote: |
Am I the only one who cannot wait for the ice caps to melt so that Norway and Greenland become as powerful as Saudi is now? |
Then we can look forward to Norsemen from Norway and the descendants of Eric the Red (also Norsemen) sweeping down from the north to teach the sand dwellers a thing or 2 about yachting. |
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scot47

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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:32 am Post subject: |
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I have always found it odd that those who have had negative experiences in Arabee love to dwell on the end of oil- at some imagned date in the future when most of us will be in the Great EFL Classroom in the Sky ! |
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gelynch52ph
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:41 am Post subject: I'm only 60 |
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scot47 wrote: |
I have always found it odd that those who have had negative experiences in Arabee love to dwell on the end of oil- at some imagned date in the future when most of us will be in the Great EFL Classroom in the Sky ! |
I'm only 60 but I fully expect the oil faucet in the Arabian desert to run dry before my lifetime is up about 30 years from now. |
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gelynch52ph
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:44 am Post subject: Re: I'm only 60 |
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gelynch52ph wrote: |
scot47 wrote: |
I have always found it odd that those who have had negative experiences in Arabee love to dwell on the end of oil- at some imagned date in the future when most of us will be in the Great EFL Classroom in the Sky ! |
I'm only 60 but I fully expect the oil faucet in the Arabian desert to run dry before my lifetime is up about 30 years from now. |
By the way, I've had 3 wonderful experiences in "Arabee." Those would be the first 3 times I flew out. The 4th time I flew out I spent 45 hours on 5 different planes and in 4 different airports just to reach Mindanao. |
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cairanya
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:35 pm Post subject: Re: I'm only 60 |
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gelynch52ph wrote: |
scot47 wrote: |
I have always found it odd that those who have had negative experiences in Arabee love to dwell on the end of oil- at some imagned date in the future when most of us will be in the Great EFL Classroom in the Sky ! |
I'm only 60 but I fully expect the oil faucet in the Arabian desert to run dry before my lifetime is up about 30 years from now. |
It has nothing to do with good or bad experiences in the Gulf (I haven't gone there yet, so I haven't had any); it just has to do with enough interest in the region to read about it. The issue is that there are at least three different definitions of "peak oil" -- and it isn't always easy to tell which one a writer is using. In fact, if the writer's an economist or journalist, chances are s/he doesn't realize there are different definitions. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/defining-peak-oil/2011/10/06/gIQABuLgQL_blog.html
Personally, the reason why I hope Greenland becomes a world superpower is because the Inuit have been so screwed over by everyone for the past 500 years. It's about time they become a world superpower. |
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