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International schools -the good, the so-so and the abysmal
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sistercream



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's a "real" international school, that uses the syllabus of X country, using the assessment methods of that country, then of course students of that school will be on an equal footing when applying for university places in X. For instance, it doesn't matter whether you went to the accredited British, German or French schools in mainland China, Hong Kong, Taiwan or Someplace Else, if your marks are sufficiently high you won't have to do any additional assessment tasks to be admitted to courses in the UK, Germany or France respectively (unless there are specific requirements for that course).

Whether you can qualify for preferential fees for local students depends of course on that country's passport/ residence requirements.
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twilothunder



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sistercream wrote:


Whether you can qualify for preferential fees for local students depends of course on that country's passport/ residence requirements.


Exactly.
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twilothunder



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But then again, my problem might be that I only took part of the sentence, and not the key part.
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rayman



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I teach at an international school in China which uses the IB (PYP, MYP & DP). I work harder at this school than I did at an international school in Indonesia. Despite the admin, teaching staff and all of the students being foreign, I still think the work culture of the country you live in permeates throughout the school.

That said, international schools generally have no more than 182 work days/year. Even if you're working hard during the academic year, there's still 3 months of holidays to enjoy. Besides, experience tells me holidays are much more enjoyable and rewarding when contrasted with some hard work.
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Mr. Leafy



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

twilothunder wrote:
But then again, my problem might be that I only took part of the sentence, and not the key part.
Laughing

Come on, there's no need to be snide. If you want to build a community at least be nice to the new people.
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Mr. Leafy



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sistercream wrote:
If it's a "real" international school, that uses the syllabus of X country, using the assessment methods of that country, then of course students of that school will be on an equal footing when applying for university places in X. For instance, it doesn't matter whether you went to the accredited British, German or French schools in mainland China, Hong Kong, Taiwan or Someplace Else, if your marks are sufficiently high you won't have to do any additional assessment tasks to be admitted to courses in the UK, Germany or France respectively (unless there are specific requirements for that course).


twilothunder wrote:
I am still looking forward to hearing a further explanation for this part.......

Because I have never heard of such a thing.


Yes, that is what I was saying, thanks sistercream.
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Mr. Leafy



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

twilothunder wrote:
Nicely summarised on the whole, but I kind of take issue with the following (bolded)

Mr. Leafy wrote:


Then there are local schools with an international course or program where the kids study more (usually) English and maybe take some content courses in English. They may prepare the students for tertiary study abroad. These vary greatly in how international they are and what the quality is. Certification is only local, students cannot claim to have graduated from a US/Canadian/British high school.


If it's a school following an international programme, certification would likely be conferred by an exam board such as Cambridge (UK) or equivalent and their certification would be globally accepted. This is usually true even in the case of locally owned and run 'international' schools with a student body that is majority local.


I guess it is different in the UK. I think your equivalent there is OFSTED. In some countries (US, Canada, I believe Australia) a state body does inspections, makes sure teachers are certified, that enough have their 1st aid certificate, that approved textbooks are being used, certain things are taught in certain grades to a certain standard, that there are enough fire exits and toilets and so on. Then they say; "yes, you can call yourself a State of New York school." Then that is the diploma graduating grade 12s get. That is what I was calling a 'real' international school as opposed to one which may teach IB or other courses but gets its approval to exist from the Chinese/Japanese/French/whatever government. The kids have IB courses but a Chinese/Japanese/French/whatever high school diploma This is my experience in both 'real' and 'local' international schools. Of course things are different in different places, it doesn't make mine wrong.
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oxfordstu



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rayman wrote:
I teach at an international school in China which uses the IB (PYP, MYP & DP). I work harder at this school than I did at an international school in Indonesia. Despite the admin, teaching staff and all of the students being foreign, I still think the work culture of the country you live in permeates throughout the school.

That said, international schools generally have no more than 182 work days/year. Even if you're working hard during the academic year, there's still 3 months of holidays to enjoy. Besides, experience tells me holidays are much more enjoyable and rewarding when contrasted with some hard work.


We might work at the same school. I work harder at my school than I have at any other. I teach IB DP/MYP and honestly the first year I was taking work home and planning until 11 at night. This year it's a bit easier because I have my lessons and resources created from last year. Just be warned - if you work for an international school, expect to work very hard. But I find it MUCH more rewarding than teaching EFL/ESL.
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chinaroman



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have worked at a public Chinese middle school, a private language mill, and a "true" International School. First, many schools use the word "International" in their name, but simply having the word "International" in your school name does not make it an International school.

Just to touch on some things discussed on this page. And this is just from my experience.

My school employs 3 full time Guidance counselors that deal with everything from behavior issues to assisting future graduates with college applications. They run special activities for Global Mental Health Day and bully awareness week.

Students of the school must hold a foreign passport (outside of China).

The curriculum comes from Canada and when our students graduate they receive a Canadian High School Diploma.

Much more demanding hours, but the holiday time and pay is much better.
Can not compare language mills to International schools. International School = career, where I felt more like a puppet in previous jobs.

All our teachers hold a teaching degree/certificate.

I am sure everyone has their own opinions and experiences.
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