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Nemodot
Joined: 12 Mar 2011
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Hi roamingteacher you seem to have a bee in your bonnet as no one attacked expats. Just a fact that there are expats that live the "White raj" lifestyle and don't care for the local culture and it's almost impossible to mix with them as I, like many others, much prefer mamak food to western food etc. I suppose if you are sent abroad then you may just be putting up with it and don't want to mix. I have no problem with that as I think that is that persons loss!
As for kl I lived in a local middle class area and my neighbours including Malays spoke English at home. Also older people were taught in English and everyone with aspirations aspires to educating there offspring in uk or USA and be fluent in english. English is also the language of business.
Malay though is a very simple language although pronunciation is slightly harder that Indonesian. They are related but more like Portuguese/Spanish as I know Malays have a hard time reading it. But I met more fluent in indonesian as you need to learn it in Indonesia. |
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Hod
Joined: 28 Apr 2003
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Location: Home
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| Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:38 am Post subject: |
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| I don't like teh tarik or kopi susu so often bring my Starbucks Caffe Latte to the mamak stall. Starbucks goes well with roti canai. |
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roamingteacher
Joined: 16 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:09 am Post subject: |
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No bee in my bonnet Nemodot. Just as you say - it's their loss but each to their own!
Any more info on the financial side of things? |
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Nemodot
Joined: 12 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:17 am Post subject: |
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| roamingteacher wrote: |
No bee in my bonnet Nemodot. Just as you say - it's their loss but each to their own!
Any more info on the financial side of things? |
Hi major int school published their rates - lowest 13.5k per month. Lowest offer elsewhere 10k.
British council advertised job at 10.5 to 12.5 k for someone with a Delta plus 5 years. 8.5 k for junior position.
Looking at search database about same in most schools so 10-14k range.
Others on various boards think that is low compared to other countries. It seems to reflect that flood of applicants for every Malaysian job and that keeps rates down.
Rates for tefl are 4-5 k but no wp. Real cowboys operate in Malaysia. in Thailand 50,000 baht for same job (10 to 1 rm so same) but things much cheaper especially beer half the price! The lowest in Bangkok for a third rate int school is 100,000 baht. So same again. And Thailand gets lots of apps as well but not so extreme.
Overall I reckon a single person can live off 5-6k in KL if you prefer local food etc Inc a local hol in Asian region once a year.
Middle east pats far better in terms of saving potential but current political situation is a nightmare so I'm betting even morebapplicants to Asia! |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Posts: 778
Location: Hong Kong
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:38 am Post subject: |
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| I would like to meet some of those expats that you say learned Malay. I haven't met any of them on my trips to KL. |
I agree, expats who make no effort to integrate are laughable, but Malaysia is kind of unique when it comes to mastering the language.
In KL or Penang, it's hard to reach any sort of fluency. Malay itself seems easy enough, but unless you�ve reached a level of fluency elsewhere, e.g. Indonesia or a more rural area of Malaysia, getting KL locals to converse with you in Malay is nigh on impossible. And don�t forget, 50% of KL�s locals are Chinese or Indian. For them, Malay is a second or third language that they go for weeks without speaking. My Malaysian Chinese in-laws, for example, were born and have always lived in Penang, but their Malay language ability is rusty to non-existent.
I can�t speak for east Malaysia and such areas, but in KL or Penang, where let�s be honest 99% of foreigners go, expats can integrate very well and mix with locals without speaking a word of Malay. |
That's one of the things that really impressed me about Malaysia. You can live in a country with a ton of Indian or Chinese foreigners, many of them very well-educated, and speak very comfortably in a very natural English. I really felt it made the culture so much more accessable.
Plus with so many non-Malays, there isn't really a 'group-think' that everyone in the entire country does everything exactly the same way.
In short, Malaysia is a very comfortable place because of that accessable English with so much of the population. |
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ffx99
Joined: 07 May 2012
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Location: Malaysia
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:51 am Post subject: Reply |
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Hi all,
I haven't read through the whole thread, just replying to the first post. I'm currently on a salary of 10K and wife is not working. I live in a brand new bungalow house with a yard in a gated community for RM800 per month but it's a bit outside of KL in a semi-rural suburban area. That's my choice because I don't like city life. I eat local food 90% of the time and I don't generally shop or eat in expat areas. My monthly budget is less than 3000 so I'm banking 7000 each month. I'm not prudish with my money either. I shop and eat and live normally in Malaysian standards.
It all depends on your lifestyle. If my salary was 5k, I could still live a very comfortable life with savings as well. An expat lifestyle though at 5k per month though is quite difficult. Some of my colleagues pay more than 5k for their rent alone. It's all about the lifestyle you want to lead.
Hope this helps. |
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roamingteacher
Joined: 16 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks for adding to the info. 800 for a bungalow - wow! |
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MaiPenRai
Joined: 17 Jan 2006
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Location: BKK
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Rates for tefl are 4-5 k but no wp. Real cowboys operate in Malaysia. in Thailand 50,000 baht for same job (10 to 1 rm so same) but things much cheaper especially beer half the price! The lowest in Bangkok for a third rate int school is 100,000 baht. So same again. And Thailand gets lots of apps as well but not so extreme. |
I dont know much about Malaysia, BUT I can tell you that you are off on your numbers for Thailand.
Average TEFL starter job in Thailand will get you about 30-40,000 baht/mth. Third rate International Schools are NOT paying 100,000/mth. Top Tier will pay 100-140K+++ and great benefits. Mid-Tier, you are looking at 75-100K+ plus good/decent benefits for Thailand and third tier you are looking at 45-70K+/mth with decent/few benefits. If you teach maths or sciences, you can expect 10-25% more.
And Thailand international schools (top tier especially) are known to have one of the highest applicant to job ratios in the international school world. |
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KayuJati
Joined: 21 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:38 am Post subject: Re: Reply |
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| ffx99 wrote: |
Hi all,
I haven't read through the whole thread, just replying to the first post. I'm currently on a salary of 10K and wife is not working. I live in a brand new bungalow house with a yard in a gated community for RM800 per month but it's a bit outside of KL in a semi-rural suburban area.
Hope this helps. |
I will echo what roamingteacher said, "Wow!" That is a very good rental price for a bungalow.
In Kuantan, I paid RM800 for a semi-D that had 5 bedrooms and 3 bathrooms. But it wasn't a bungalow and it wasn't close to KL.
For a salary of 10k per month, are they paying into EPF for you? |
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DragonJade
Joined: 20 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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| tttompatz wrote: |
Japan, even for the qualified, is similar (8k MYR) with few or NONE of the benefits (such as airfare, housing, etc).
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You're a little off here. The legal requirement in Japan is (unless they've changed it recently) �250,000 minimum a month for foreigners, which works out to just under RM10,000. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
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Location: Hong Kong
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:47 am Post subject: |
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| DragonJade wrote: |
| tttompatz wrote: |
Japan, even for the qualified, is similar (8k MYR) with few or NONE of the benefits (such as airfare, housing, etc).
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You're a little off here. The legal requirement in Japan is (unless they've changed it recently) �250,000 minimum a month for foreigners, which works out to just under RM10,000. |
tttompatz is also off on housing. I've had free housing 2 out of 2 times already.
True about the �250,000 minimum. That's the lowest it ever gets. It's not average or norm, but the rock bottom lowest a person might get, by law. |
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DragonJade
Joined: 20 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:57 am Post subject: |
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
| DragonJade wrote: |
| tttompatz wrote: |
Japan, even for the qualified, is similar (8k MYR) with few or NONE of the benefits (such as airfare, housing, etc).
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You're a little off here. The legal requirement in Japan is (unless they've changed it recently) �250,000 minimum a month for foreigners, which works out to just under RM10,000. |
tttompatz is also off on housing. I've had free housing 2 out of 2 times already.
True about the �250,000 minimum. That's the lowest it ever gets. It's not average or norm, but the rock bottom lowest a person might get, by law. |
I should amend what I said to "�250,000 minimum a month for foreigners to get a work visa into the country." 250k is the norm for a fulltime job teaching in Japan. There are jobs that pay less, but you'd either have to be desperate, rich, or clueless to accept anything lower than 250k.
I remember going to a group interview/intro at one place that handed out high school teaching jobs. Everyone hears about the riches to be had at teaching in a state school, especially if you get it direct without going though an agency (�350,000+ wages,) so I though I'd go along and see what this agency was offering. Man, did they take a huge cut of the money! They would only pay you for the hours you taught even though you were contacted for a 9-5 (ish) job, you had to pay for transportation yourself, you typically had three schools to travel between, and when you weren't teaching, you were expected to go to their office, and they weren't paying for national or school holidays. The pay ranged from something like �140,000-�190,00 a month, and since there was about 9-12 weeks (can't remember the exact number) holiday during the year, you would be buggered during this period with no pay. I think the transportation alone would have cost me �30,000+ a month.
As for benefits, in my first teaching gig in Japan I was paid 250k a month, I got a fully furnished subsidised flat (I think I paid about 70k, which would have been 100K+ unsubsidised) , transportation, very very basic health insurance, and an additional 20 or 30k a month because I was living in Kanto. All in all it was an ok gig except that some of the other teachers/managers turned out to be real b*****s. I made some really good friends at the company and I learnt a lot about teaching, so no regrets on those points. |
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