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juanisaac



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are ripping you off. I teach about ten private students. Two I teach for FREE, one I teach for 50 Yuan an hour, and one for 75 Yuan per hour, and the rest for 100 Yuan per hour for one to one classes. If they whine and complain, tell them to go to a private training center. In my town they charge 200 Yuan per hour.
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The Edge



Joined: 04 Sep 2010
Posts: 455
Location: China

PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

juanisaac wrote:
They are ripping you off. I teach about ten private students. Two I teach for FREE, one I teach for 50 Yuan an hour, and one for 75 Yuan per hour, and the rest for 100 Yuan per hour for one to one classes. If they whine and complain, tell them to go to a private training center. In my town they charge 200 Yuan per hour.


LOL at 50 rmb
My wife would make her best of friends pay at least 100.
You are either having a laugh or selling yourself very short.
Up your game or set up a foundation.
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The Steakinator



Joined: 13 Apr 2012
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Location: Oman

PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the quick replies and all the tips. One of my friends has been there for going on three years and said something to the effect of pawning some private students off on me. I'm not sure how that works in China and how likely it is to get caught and fired by your main employer for tutoring private students on the side. Would anyone be able to chime in on that? If the students get sick of you, can they go to the local police and turn you in? Is it good to keep your real name hidden from them?

I know it sounds paranoid, but I lived in a police state for a couple years and know the government closely kept records on all inhabitants, especially foreigners. Thanks again.
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kungfuman



Joined: 31 May 2012
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Location: In My Own Private Idaho

PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Steakinator wrote:


I know it sounds paranoid, but I lived in a police state for a couple years and know the government closely kept records on all inhabitants, especially foreigners. Thanks again.


China is not a police state for us guests. For the locals, perhaps. We can leave anytime we want. They can check out any time they like but they can never leave...
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Brian Hugh



Joined: 07 Jan 2012
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My advice is this. Don't write on Dave's about private teaching. My second word of advice comes from the many people in China doing business. Don't do anything until you get paid. Money first and lesson after.
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kungfuman



Joined: 31 May 2012
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Location: In My Own Private Idaho

PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brian Hugh wrote:
My advice is this. Don't write on Dave's about private teaching. My second word of advice comes from the many people in China doing business. Don't do anything until you get paid. Money first and lesson after.


I've been cheating several times - by primary employers.

NEVER cheated by side jobs.
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LongShiKong



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's what I'm planning on charging 4-5yr olds in Beijing for 1 hr sessions. I'll encourage parents to invite their friends kids or classmates and offer the following discounts:

200/hr for 1 child (=800/mo income for me or 1600 mo if they'll go for 2 sessions a wk)
175/hr each for 2 (=1400 or 2800/mo)
150/hr each for 3 (=1800 or 3600/mo)
125/hr each for 4+ (=2000+ or 4000+/mo)


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LarssonCrew



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find it hilarious that the parents refuse to pay top dollar for a [let's be honest] white, American/British teacher who dresses well and speaks well, who will plan classes, but are willing to pay through the roof to have 'summer university classes' with a Chinese teacher with average English, who teaches all of the class in English.

Everyone says how we're making much more than the locals, but how about this?

One guy in my town [Xi'an] charges 80 RMB an hour, and packs out an entire auditorium of university student's for 3 hours 9-12 Saturday and Sunday morning, and the same 2-5 in the afternoon, he has about 150-200 students. So let's work that out:

150 x 240 [for 3 hours] = 36 000

x 4 times a week, it's a joke.

Yes he has studied abroad for one year and looks slick in a suit with a nice PPT [IN CHINESE], however the parents would be better off paying 2 x 120 an hour for a private class, but many say 'oh no, 100 is the most I will pay!]

Of course, the key to making pure coin off of private's is to have connections, and teach larger classes, think about it,

10 parents pay 100 per kid for 2 hours, that's 1000 RMB, but even getting 300 1 on 1 is only 600 an hour.

I honestly feel like they'd rather pay 300-400 to an 'agent' than that directly to the teacher and I've no idea why.

They'd even rather pay 400 to a school and know you only get 120-150 than give you 200 directly and save the money.

Of course, there are even teachers of Chinese hand writing [making it look prettier] who are coining in 100 an hour per student for 15 students, and people say teaching English gets some decent money.

One girl approached me as she wanted to apply for the BAR in the UK. I know I was one of the only legally qualified lawyers in Xi'an who is a native speaker, and this was a law class. She offered me 60 RMB an hour to teach her and that was to prepare her for activities she had not been given in Chinese university.

I laughed her out the building, told her my minimum was 600.

I also saw one of my business friends handed a leaflet by Xi'an Jiao tong university, which had a professor of history giving a lecture on a former king, the price was 10800 a day and they had already sold 180 tickets for that one day.

Some Chinese professors can absolutely cream it I swear, but if you ask for above 120-150 , oh no!
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maxand



Joined: 04 Jan 2012
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LarssonCrew wrote:
I find it hilarious that the parents refuse to pay top dollar for a [let's be honest] white, American/British teacher who dresses well and speaks well, who will plan classes, but are willing to pay through the roof to have 'summer university classes' with a Chinese teacher with average English, who teaches all of the class in English.

Everyone says how we're making much more than the locals, but how about this?

One guy in my town [Xi'an] charges 80 RMB an hour, and packs out an entire auditorium of university student's for 3 hours 9-12 Saturday and Sunday morning, and the same 2-5 in the afternoon, he has about 150-200 students. So let's work that out:

150 x 240 [for 3 hours] = 36 000

x 4 times a week, it's a joke.

Yes he has studied abroad for one year and looks slick in a suit with a nice PPT [IN CHINESE], however the parents would be better off paying 2 x 120 an hour for a private class, but many say 'oh no, 100 is the most I will pay!]

Of course, the key to making pure coin off of private's is to have connections, and teach larger classes, think about it,

10 parents pay 100 per kid for 2 hours, that's 1000 RMB, but even getting 300 1 on 1 is only 600 an hour.

I honestly feel like they'd rather pay 300-400 to an 'agent' than that directly to the teacher and I've no idea why.

They'd even rather pay 400 to a school and know you only get 120-150 than give you 200 directly and save the money.

Of course, there are even teachers of Chinese hand writing [making it look prettier] who are coining in 100 an hour per student for 15 students, and people say teaching English gets some decent money.

One girl approached me as she wanted to apply for the BAR in the UK. I know I was one of the only legally qualified lawyers in Xi'an who is a native speaker, and this was a law class. She offered me 60 RMB an hour to teach her and that was to prepare her for activities she had not been given in Chinese university.

I laughed her out the building, told her my minimum was 600.

I also saw one of my business friends handed a leaflet by Xi'an Jiao tong university, which had a professor of history giving a lecture on a former king, the price was 10800 a day and they had already sold 180 tickets for that one day.

Some Chinese professors can absolutely cream it I swear, but if you ask for above 120-150 , oh no!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS7nqwGt4-I
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LongShiKong



Joined: 28 May 2007
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Location: China

PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LarssonCrew wrote:
I find it hilarious that the parents refuse to pay top dollar...


It's my guess that for the majority, it's the image or rhetoric they're buying. Keep in mind, consumerism is relatively new here and many lack the critical thinking, or don't even care to evaluate a school. Seems far too many are more concerned about bragging rights / saving face than their child's development or well-being.

At Longman School, no one even bothered properly assessing or reporting student progress to parents who'd forked out 10,000 for tuition with few questions asked or follow-up complaints. Do you honestly believe those same parents wouldn't haggle over price or quality at their local market? With virtually no standards or expectations, I likened the place to a daycare more than a school.

Consumerism is about identity and nowhere is this more apparent than here. If you asked a Chinese iPhone or Audi owner why they chose it over other brands, would you expect much of a response?

In trying to get my tutoring service off the ground, I'm going to take aim directly in my marketing rhetoric at such 'daycares' and their hapless victims (parents, kids, and even teaching staff). Who knows--I might even succeed.
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relaxtischina



Joined: 09 Jun 2009
Posts: 113

PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LongShiKong wrote:
Here's what I'm planning on charging 4-5yr olds in Beijing for 1 hr sessions. I'll encourage parents to invite their friends kids or classmates and offer the following discounts:

200/hr for 1 child (=800/mo income for me or 1600 mo if they'll go for 2 sessions a wk)
175/hr each for 2 (=1400 or 2800/mo)
150/hr each for 3 (=1800 or 3600/mo)
125/hr each for 4+ (=2000+ or 4000+/mo)


Yes I have done something similar in the past. The problem I found is: What happens if a few kids suddenly cancel a class? The others will still expect to pay the lower fee . Be careful and think it through a little more.
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Shroob



Joined: 02 Aug 2010
Posts: 1339

PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

relaxtischina wrote:
LongShiKong wrote:
Here's what I'm planning on charging 4-5yr olds in Beijing for 1 hr sessions. I'll encourage parents to invite their friends kids or classmates and offer the following discounts:

200/hr for 1 child (=800/mo income for me or 1600 mo if they'll go for 2 sessions a wk)
175/hr each for 2 (=1400 or 2800/mo)
150/hr each for 3 (=1800 or 3600/mo)
125/hr each for 4+ (=2000+ or 4000+/mo)


Yes I have done something similar in the past. The problem I found is: What happens if a few kids suddenly cancel a class? The others will still expect to pay the lower fee . Be careful and think it through a little more.


I had this problem last year. I learnt my lesson, money first classes later.
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fat_chris



Joined: 10 Sep 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LarssonCrew wrote:
She offered me 60 RMB an hour to teach her and that was to prepare her for activities she had not been given in Chinese university.

I laughed her out the building, told her my minimum was 600.


I like this. +1

Warm regards,
fat_chris
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fat_chris



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LarssonCrew wrote:
but are willing to pay through the roof to have 'summer university classes' with a Chinese teacher with average English, who teaches all of the class in English.


LarssonCrew,

I apologize for nitpicking. Did you mean "in Chinese"?

Warm regards,
fat_chris
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fat_chris



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

parnett wrote:
[...] no matter how harmless my post, it would always start an argument. It's your right to disagree, but insults are surely not necessary.


Hear, hear! It does get tiresome, doesn't it?

Cool

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fat_chris
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