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Barbaros · Joined: 18 Aug 2012 Posts: 58 Location: North of France

Shisha ban in Jeddah takes effect today as grace period ends

JEDDAH: Ibrahim Naffee
Wednesday 10 October 2012

"The Jeddah mayoralty had set a grace period that ends today for cafes and restaurants in the city to stop serving shisha to costumers.
The ban will affect 238 restaurants and cafes reported to face an 80 percent drop in their revenue. These cafes would make a daily revenue of 7 to 10 thousand riyals from shisha alone.
The ban has only recently been enforced, with Riyadh and other cities having implemented this years ago. Shisha lovers now have to drive to cafes outside the city to smoke as the decision also applies to residential areas.
Abdul Aziz Al-Nahari, spokesman for the Jeddah mayoralty, said this is an application of the ministry of interior�s decision to protect public health and that such measures have been applied internationally.
Arab News met with caf� owners who denounced the decision as �shocking�.
One shop owner said that his loss stands at about 85 percent. He used to make SR 7,000 on a daily basis but since the ban, he is only averaging SR 1,500 a day."
http://www.arabnews.com/shisha-ban-jeddah-takes-effect-today-grace-period-ends

Strange, if they are interested in the health of young Saudis, they should have banned smoking as well.

But I forgot that this the Magic Kingdom, anything which is bizarre is a bazaar! Laughing

FarGone · Joined: 02 Nov 2011 Posts: 97

Prudes, no need. "Within residential areas"--does that mean, within individual residences? If so, are the Elite monitored via CCTV within their own homes?

&, yes, if shisha is banned, all smoking must be as well + the closing of all shops which sell cigarettes. Good luck with this.

Hopefully, the latest measures will drive the bong habit into the underground such that the bowls will fill with something...more aromatic than the stuff found in conventional hookah.

scot47 · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343

Ah, back to the good old days. When the "Ikwan" of King Abdulaziz occupied Jeddah in the 1920's they destroyed stocks of alcohol, tobacco, ciragettes, hair-dye, wigs and other "haram" substances.

johnslat · Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 10:00 pm Post subject:

Dear scot47,

"When the "Ikwan" of King Abdulaziz occupied Jeddah in the 1920's . . ."

An incident that you undoubtedly witnessed personally Very Happy

Regards,
John

P.S. Please notice that I made no mention of the unnecessary apostrophe.
Very Happy

Barbaros · Joined: 18 Aug 2012 Posts: 58 Location: North of France

scot47 · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343

Perfidious Albion was as usual playing a double game. They supported the other lot - whose name slips my mind at the moment (the Hashemis ?) but also put a bet on Abdulaziz as an outsider. Of copurse the real winner was Uncle Sam. So it goes in Realpolitik.

I was not there personally. I had other duties to fulfil at the time

PeterParvo · Joined: 18 Dec 2011 Posts: 103

I don't think the ban is for the health of the general public, but rather for the folks who like to go to a cafe for a coffee without having to sit in thick smoke. I've heard that it's pretty bad in Jeddah.

I love the smoking ban in public places in Europe and America. It's so nice to go out for a drink and not come home smelling like a dirty ashtray.

FarGone · Joined: 02 Nov 2011 Posts: 97

Obviously, inhaling hot tar into ones lungs is unhealthy. But if shisha smoking is "haram," then cigarettes/cigars/pipes are, as well. And if such are still sold/"allowed" in Saudi, then the shisha ban is ridiculously inconsistent and illogical.

PeterParvo · Joined: 18 Dec 2011 Posts: 103

On the topic of haram, is birth control haram? My wife says yes, but I just assumed no because there are both male and female contraceptives in almost all pharmacies.

scot47 · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343

Contemporary Wahabi scholars say that birth control is ok but aborion is not. I am not sure if other scholars say the same.

veiledsentiments · Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA

Of course, they are not Wahhabi, but an Egyptian doctor told me that the number one form of "birth control" in Egypt was abortion.

VS

Barbaros · Joined: 18 Aug 2012 Posts: 58 Location: North of France

Birth control in Islam is not haram.

"Muslim views on abortion are shaped by the Hadith as well as by the opinions of legal and religious scholars and commentators. In Islam, the fetus is believed to become a living soul after four months of gestation,[1] and abortion after that point is generally viewed as impermissible. Many Islamic thinkers recognize exceptions to this rule for certain circumstances; indeed, Azizah Y. al-Hibri notes that "the majority of Muslim scholars permit abortion, although they differ on the stage of fetal development beyond which it becomes prohibited."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_abortion

PeterParvo · Joined: 18 Dec 2011 Posts: 103

So this wasn't addressed in the book which must not be named?

Barbaros · Joined: 18 Aug 2012 Posts: 58 Location: North of France

�The Qur'an does not explicitly refer to abortion but offers guidance on related matters. Scholars accept that this guidance can properly be applied to abortion.�

Whosoever has spared the life of a soul, it is as though he has spared the life of all people. Whosoever has killed a soul, it is as though he has murdered all of mankind. - Qur'an 5:32

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/islamethics/abortion_1.shtml

wantok · Joined: 05 Jul 2012 Posts: 168

Regarding the government's attempts to slip condoms over hookas:

JEDDAH � With the implementation of the smoking ban in Jeddah, cafes around the city have reported a noticeable decrease in the number of customers...

i purchased a jura coffee machine it does all the drinks so now i dont go to coffee shops to smoke anymore only restaurants to eat and all my friends smoke so we go to their houses instead of coffee shops

http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentid=20121016139751