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januthin · Joined: 30 May 2004 Posts: 24

Uh, do I need a passport to rob banks, or is that available to just any american?

johnslat · Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 4:29 pm Post subject:

Dear januthin,
Got any fairly recent EU relatives?

"Have you got any European relatives?
If you are not from a EU country an alternatives is trying to get a EU passport. For many Aussies/Kiwis/Canadians etc there's often a relative somewhere down that family tree, so get researching."

Most, I think, require at least a grandparent, but you'd probably have to ask the country that you plan to get the EU passport from.

Regards,
John

johnslat · Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 4:34 pm Post subject:

Dear januthin,

nomadder · Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 9:04 pm Post subject:

The only ways I know of to get an EU passport are to:

1)be born there or
2) have parents or grandparents born there or
3) to marry a European and even then a passport may not be automatic depending on the country but you could get a work visa for that country.

Then again you could go to Thailand and possibly get a fake. Confused

I can't believe you think you can just get passports on the internet. Rolling Eyes

Aramas · Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 1:18 am Post subject:

dreaming_saturn · Joined: 25 May 2004 Posts: 37 Location: Netherlands

grahamb · Joined: 30 Apr 2003 Posts: 1945

John, if common sense was part of the curriculum on this side of the pond, we would have rid ourselves of "President" Blair long ago!
Tom Paine must be turning in his grave.

januthin · Joined: 30 May 2004 Posts: 24

In all sincerity, thanks for your replies. It has been made abundantly clear that I will be looking for jobs not requiring EU nationality, living on the wild side, if you will, for a bit.

januthin · Joined: 30 May 2004 Posts: 24

Does anyone here study law? Know about the Sepulveda vs. De las Casas debates?

dagi · Joined: 01 Jan 2004 Posts: 425

J.,
there is no such thing as an EU-passport but I assume you just mean any passport of any EU memberstate. To aquire citizenship you must live in the country for several years, speak the language and be integrated in the local society. You also must be legal resident. It differs from country to country for how long you must live there, in some you can ask for the citizeship after only 5 years in others it's up to 15 years. The only other option is to marry a citizen from a EU country.
If you apply at a school and have the neccessary qualfications and they want to hire you your prospective employer will go through all the paperwork and help you get the visa. This will mostly be the case at public schools, universites or a college.

spiral78 · Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash

dagi wrote:
If you apply at a school and have the neccessary qualfications and they want to hire you your prospective employer will go through all the paperwork and help you get the visa. This will mostly be the case at public schools, universites or a college

That's a little misleading. It sounds as though you mean that if you can get a serious job offer from a public school (including colleges and unis) in whatever country, that school will be able to arrange the paperwork for you. I can state categorically from my personal experience that this is NOT the case in every EU member country. I went thru an extensive hiring process for a university in the Netherlands; the school was actually willing to go to court at Den Hague to plead for an exception to the EU-hire-only rule in my case, but the day before the case was to come up, the school received a letter from the state lawyers telling them not to bother, they would certainly lose the case.
I was able to secure a work permit shortly thereafter, but thanks only to the multinational corporation for which my husband worked, that swung a deal with the Dutch authorities to cover all non-EU spouses of their employees.

Countries approach the issue differently; if you're set on some particular country within the EU, it's best to research that country specifically.

Blanket statements don't apply!!

scot47 · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343

Dagi states : "To aquire citizenship you must live in the country for several years, speak the language and be integrated in the local society. You also must be legal resident. "

This is dud information. Irish citizenship, for example, can be claimed by descent. Under UK nationality law the child of a UK national is aslo entitled to nationality under certain circumstances.

The 25 member states all have diferent laws on nationality and citizenship.

Aramas · Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2004 4:51 am Post subject: Re: Confused ?

dagi · Joined: 01 Jan 2004 Posts: 425

Ok, Scott you are right. But most children can get the nationality of their parents. If I were to move to Timbuktu and had a child there it would get my nationality and that is the case for nationals of most if not all EU countries. The Irish are I think very execeptional with their ancestory visa/passport (if this is the right term!).
What I was refering to was a person with absolutely no connections to a EU country and then wanting to aquire nationality. If an American moves to the Netherlands and wants to become Dutch, this person will have to legally live in Holland for 5 years and only then you can apply for Dutch citizen. If a Frenchman moves to Germany and wants German citizenship he has to live in Germany for at least 15 years and speak fluent German.

I do know one woman who was denied citizenship. She flew from the GDR to Holland during the old times. At the embassy of the Federal Republic of Germany she applied for citizenship but was rejected. Her grandfather had colaborated with the Polish during WW2 and therefore lost his citizenship. She also could not apply for Dutch citizenship because she did not live in Holland for less than five years.